Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 15, 2011 14:27:31 GMT -5
Well ... that wasn't so painful! ;D
Londoner seems to have taken care of the first part of your query and now I have some answers regarding Elizabeth Laity!
The witnesses at her marriage to Samuel Major were Jno Laity and Ephraim Major although I did have a small problem here. The signiature of John Laity could have been 'Jno' or 'Jos' so it was not until I had followed a few other steps before I discovered which it would be.
Philip and Elizabeth were living at St Ives in 1841 with the name appearing as RODGERS. Philip died in 1848 and was buried at St Ives 3rd October 1848 age 76.
I then checked for possible burials at St Ives for Elizabeth and found a record for her in 1852. That then gave me the bonus of the 1851 Census where I hoped to find a birthplace for her.
Sure enough - born St Ives about 1776.
Elizabeth Rogers was buried at St Ives 18th Augsut 1852 age 76
Elizabeth daughter of John and Margaret Laity was baptised at St Ives 18th May 1777.
John Laity, mason, and Margaret NOALL were married at St Ives by Banns 5th February 1776 with Richard Noall and William Noall as witnesses.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 15, 2011 14:49:23 GMT -5
Further to my last - I decided to try and identify Margaret Noall and have an interesting problem.
John Laity was buried at St Ives 13th November 1819 age 73 and so was born around 1776. As there were only three children to John and Margaret I suspect that Margaret may have been of similar age or perhaps a little older. Her last child was born in 1783 which means I could look as early as about 1735 for a baptism for Margaret.
There are three possiblities at St Ives:- Margaret d/o John and Elizabeth bp. 2nd February 1740 Margaret d/o Andrew and Sibella bp. 15th September 1744 Margaret d/o Philip and Ann bp. 24th April 1748
My dilemma is that I cannot find a burial for Margaret Laity.
But in 1814 at St Ives there is a burial for a SIBELLA Laity which is most odd. Sibella Laity was age 70 which is a nice neat match for Margaret d/o Andrew and Sibella Noall baptised in 1744.
What is interesting is that Sibella daughter of Andrew and Sibella noall was buried at St Ives just a few months earlier.
Sibella Noal of St Ives age 75 buried 6th April 1814 St Ives Sibella Laity of St Ives age 70 buried 12th December 1814 St Ives
I have not found a baptism for any Sibella Laity and I can find no marriage of a Laity to anyone named Sibella.
My opinion is that Sibella Laity is actually Margaret Laity and she was therefore the daughter of Andrew and Sibella Noall.
Post by grletcher on Sept 22, 2011 15:01:30 GMT -5
Thankee thankee to CT and Londoner! You are the best, this is exactly what I needed.
I was in St. Ives the past week on holiday, and with patient wife in tow could not resist hunting some ancestors. Yomped around the lovely Baroon Cemetery and met some aunts/uncles/cuzzies there. Found the ancestral home of my ggf William Nicholls Rogers, at what was then, and is still, called "Westcotts Court" on Skidden Hill. Tried to visit the Archives, but alas even tho it was festival week, was closed on Sunday. Also visited Illogan, home of my Letcher ancestors, once resident of the Churchtown section.
> Looking for Samuel Major Rogers born Condobolin N.S.W. 1880 parents Henry/Emily Rogers. Samuel married Elizabeth Hines 1913 Marrickville. occupation Cordial Manufacturer. > Also any descendant of Henry Rogers and Sally Harris 1st wife as well as his second wife Emily Press. Henry settled in Condobolin after arriving in Aust. in Adelaide. He was born in St. Ives, married in Phillack Cornwall. > Hi All.
I am Christopher Rogers and i am descendant of Henry Rogers and Sally Harris.
I live in Peregian Beach Queensland Australia.
Please do contact me as I have been looking for information on the Rogers Family
I am directly descended from Philip Rogers and Elisabeth Laity (married at Towednack in 1807) and would love to hear from anyone who can trace it back further than that on the Rogers side! Sue Kemp and I met up several years ago as I live in Cornwall, would love to get back in touch with her as I owe her lots of info!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 15, 2012 3:09:34 GMT -5
Cathy - perhaps a breakthrough!!
Laugh if you wish ;D but I now believe that the following is most likely your Phillip Rogers:-
Phillip son of Joseph Rogers bp. 11th February 1777 Gulval
However his father was not actually Joseph!
Although there were a number of Joseph Rogers through the years there is no marriage that I can find that might account for this lone baptism at Gulval and also there are no other children.
You need to look at Menheniot, St Cleer, Quethiock and Breage to find a marriage that might be even close and that is the last one at Breage in 1767.
But consider the names of the children of Philip and Elizabeth - Henry Laity, William Nicholls, Philip Laity, Elizabeth Laity. Strong emphasis on the Laity name which highlights the name NICHOLLS.
I believe the parents of Philip Rogers were:-
Philip Rogers married Catherine Nicholls 19th April 1776 at Gulval
According to Nicholls research the parents of Catherine were Henry Nicholls and Anne Leggoe who married at Madron in 1733. Catherine was baptised 'Christiana Nicholls' at Madron 20th August 1749.
A search for children of Philip and Catherine produced:-
Thomas bp. 14th February 1779 Gulval Henry bp. 3rd December 1780 Madron (buried 3rd January 1781 Madron) Henry bp. 10th August 1782 Morvah (buried 17th August 1782 Morvah) Henry bp. 19th December 1783 Madron Catherine bp. 7th October 1787 Sancreed Sipron (Cyprian) bp. 1st February 1789 Sancreed
Note the gap between the marriage of Philip and Catherine in 1776 and the baptism of Thomas in 1779.
How or why the father's name was recorded as 'Joseph' will probably remain a mystery but I think there is little doubt that the 1777 baptism of Philip son of Joseph Rogers at Gulval is actually your Philip son of Philip and Catherine.
Philip Senior was most likely baptised at Sancreed in 1755 son of Philip and Ann Rogers although a little more work may be required to eliminate any other possibilities.
Wow! Thank you very much CT, I got as far as Joseph and then didn't know which way to go. I had guessed vaguely there may be a Nicholls somewhere but you are clearly an expert at these things. Thank you very much. It certainly makes sense. I will get to work with my new information, fantastic!! Any tips or advice are always welcome! Can I ask what sources you used to obtain your information please? I'm always keen to find a new way of accessing info!
Roy, thank you for your help too. I'm looking forward to receiving a copy of the Nicholls file. My half brother and sister are descended from the Nicholls family, wonder if there is a cross-over?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 19, 2012 11:47:26 GMT -5
Cathy - most of my information was found in Images of the original Parish Registers that I have managed to gather.
Many of these PRs can now be found on FamilySearch although I am not sure about them all being there.
Cornwall records were first put online early in 2010 but were only there a couple of months or so before being removed. It is only recently that the main collection has come back online (29th December in fact) but not everything has been reinstated just yet.
If you don't know how to access them let me know and I will explain for you.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 20, 2012 17:05:55 GMT -5
For those who may be wondering - I have moved all conversation about John Magor and Christiana Lawry to a new thread under Redruth Rummaging.
It is not quite Gwennap but Redruth is where John Magor senior is supposed to have been born, Redruth and Gwennap share a long border and ..................... we don't have a separate Parish Forum for Gwennap!
Just reading through all the notices, would love to contact Gary Letcher Maryland USA who put a entry on this thread regarding William Nicholls Rogers, who was my GGGGrandfather's brother. I have been trying for awhile to work out his decedants who travelled to the states. Sue