Margery Sisley, St. Ives, Cornwall

[suekemp]

Looking to what could have happened to Margery Sisley born 17th May 1865 St. Ives, parents John Sisleyb. 1843 St. Ives/ Margery ThomasRogers b. 1841 St. Ives. I have her last known entry 1881 census living with her grandparents John and Thomasine Sisley St. Ives. Mother Margery d. 1868. I have checked BDM records up to 1891 no sign of her.
I'm researching Rogers family Starting with Philip Rogers b. 1755 Sancreed marr. Catherine Nicholls b. 1745, their children born Gulval, Madron, Sancreed. Their son Philip b. 1777 marr. Elizabeth Major nee Laity 1807 Their children Henry Laity Rogers, William Nicholls Rogers, Philip Laity Rogers and Elizabeth Laity Rogers are my main areas of research at this point of time Henry Laity Rogers being my direct line. My troubled areas are as mentioned Margery Sisley and Henry Laity Rogers wifes whereaabouts whenn the 1851 census was taken. I have Elizabeth Rogers, Henry Laity Rogers son to Eliz. Henry Rogers son to Henry and John Rogers son to Henry but are missing Eleanor Rogers Henry Laity Rogers wife, Eleanor Rogers, William Rogers, Samuel Rogers, Margery Thomas Rogers, Elizabeth Rogers all children of Henry and Eleanor. Have them on the 1841 and 1861 census but where they were for the 1851 census is anyone's guess. Any suggestions. I have checked the Wales census.
Not to good with computer workings, how do you add smiles to script?
Sue Kemp

[Cornish Terrier]

Another one I will try to look at in the coming days.
The Kemp side is something I may be able to get some help on as my cousin in Cornwall has Kemp connections at some point.

Keep posting and I will see what I can do.

[suekemp]

Thanks Cres re surname Kemp. It's my married name and they come from Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, so the Kemps in Cornwall are not related. I'm tracing my mother's maiden name, Rogers. In the Rogers clan the surnames are Berriman, Richards, Williams, Hix, Harris and Morcom, not all from St. Ives, but close by in Cornwall.
Thanks again, Sue Kemp

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi again Sue,
First thing - My 'tag' on this system is 'Cornish Terrier' - the 'cres' refers to my current standing in the list and the next level up from your own 'noweth'.

To add Smileys - just above the Message: section where you write your notes you will find a title 'Add Smilies:' so just pass your mouse over each one until you find one that think appropriate, click on it and it will be added to your note.

I don't have a lot of time tonight but have just taken a closer look at your original note and have found a couple of things for a start.

You have inadvertantly helped me for a start by giving me the name of John Sisley's wife Thomasine.
I have found this family in the 1851 Census and a brother of your John Sisley was named George.
George married Mary Jane PEARCE at Stives August 31st, 1868 and that is my main interest in the family.
Mary Jane PEARCE was baptised at St Ives April 10th, 1846 as daughter of William PEARCE and Ann TREWHELLA.
Ann TREWHELLA was the sister of my 3xgt-grandfather!

John Sisley married Thomasine TOMAN at St Ives December 23rd 1838 according to what I have found. (Would like you to confirm we have the same family if you would - I believe it is but confirmation would be helpful.)

Now - I need further information about the 1841 and 1861 Census information you regarding Margery Thomas Rogers and her other later missing siblings.

Also, details of her parents date and place of marriage and what you can tell me about the date and place of birth of her siblings.

From there I may be able to assist further.

Cornish Terrier

[cornishmaid]

Sorry to butt in here but es me ansum, can confirm that the Thomasine Toman that married John Sisley is the family referred to. They are also in my family. Small place St Ives

[Zenobia]

cornishmaid said:

Sorry to butt in here but es me ansum, can confirm that the Thomasine Toman that married John Sisley is the family referred to. They are also in my family. Small place St Ives

Wowie - we are all related...!

And you have just inspired the new board motto!

[Zenobia]

ianjtrewhella said:

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[Cornish Terrier]

Guess we 'ad betrrr starrt gettin' usselfs in toon an' check sum o' this 'ere relations stuff me luvvlies!

[cornishmaid]

Please somebody find Margery. Sue has been searching for ages, and I've been searching for quite a while, but all to no avail

[Cornish Terrier]

Sue - once again, if you can supply me with a little more detail on the family I (hopefully) should be able to find a way to help you out.
Items such as a few dates and places of birth, death and marriage for some of the people you mentioned in your first note would be extremely useful and would give me a 'line' to work through.

I unfortuntely do not have, at the moment, the burial records for St Ives but I have found Margery in 1871 with her widowed father liviing with John and Thomasine and some of their other children.

I will keep trying!

[cornishmaid]

Ok, in Sue's absence, have a few details of Margery Sisley.

John Sisley, b 18421c., married Margery Thomas Rogers on 17 January 1865. John was a Carpenter; his father John Sisley was a Painter. Margery Thomas Rogers was 23 when she married John; her father was Henry Rogers, Miner. Witnesses at the wedding were John Stevens Humphreys and W G Cowling.

They had a daughter, Margery Sisley, born in 1865.

Margery Thomas Sisley (nee Rogers) died in 1868, aged 27. John Sisley and his daughter Margery were with his parents John Sisley and Thomasine (nee Toman) in the 1871 census. After that Margery Sisley disappears...

I believe Sue has checked BMD's and census and found nothing. I've tried every variation of both names I can think of for Margery Sisley in census returns and found nothing.

Help!!!!

Will check my paperwork tomorrow to see if there's anything else I can add

[suekemp]

Hi Everybody, busy weekend. Thankyou for all your replies.You are all correct re Margery Sisley. She is also on the 1881 census with her grandparents 15 dressmaker living Warren after that nothing. Her father married before the 1881 census will look up where he is living.
Henry Laity Rogers b. 1808 married 1832 Eleanor Thomas b. 1808 [Bapt. Elizabeth] parents Matthew and Eleanor Thomas
children all born St. Ives
Henry b. 1833 d. 1918 Condobolin Australia marr. Sarah [Sally] Harris Philliack Cornwall
Eleaonr b. 1835 d. 1910 Wincanton Somerset married William Hix
William b. 1837 d. 1903 Stawell Australia married Mary Jane Richards St. Ives
Samuel Major b. 1837 [twin] d. 1877 Stawell Australia marr. Amy Pearce Penberthy Melbourne Australia Amy b. Lelant Cornwall
Mary b. 1839 d. before 1861 St. Ives - I have the date somewhere in my notes.
Elizabeth b. 1840 d. after 1901 marr. 1864 John Richards St. Ives
Don't have alot on this family as yet and awful lot of Richards in Cornwall!
Margery [ you know]
John Major b. 1843 d. 1899 Maldon Australia marr Eliza Harris, Sithney. Eliza d. 1869 Stawell Australia John married Caroline Morcom Stawell Australia Caroline came from Gwennap Cornwall
Matthew b. 1845 d. 1846 St. Ives.
I have photos of most of this family.
I'm also tracing Henry's brothers and sister. William Nicholls Rogers b. 1812 Philip Laity Rogers b. 1814 and Elizabeth Laity Rogers 1815 Elizabeth married Clement Williams1837 St. Ives
and to my surprise there are two Clement and Elizabeth Williams in St. Ives and same ages took me a long time to work that one through, census were not a handy resource in this case.
Still trying to find out info on this family.
Thanks for all your interest and help, Margery Sisley has me really stumped. I think some of the Sisley's went to Canada my only thought is she may have gone with them but not sure where to start looking.
Cheers Sue Kemp

[Cornish Terrier]

Sue, nice to have you back.
Cornishmaid has been doing a good job in your absence I have to say.
I was starting to look more into some of your previous information when we had a power failure here (about 10 seconds) and it took out my Internet Connection for just over two hours.
In the meantime I have been looking at some other offline stuff of my own so will probably continue with that for a little while tonight as I have been trying to get to it for a while.

Will refresh the brain and take another look at the Margery Sisley problem over the next few days - all being well.

Cheers.

[cornishmaid]

After re-checking deaths for every quarter for the years 1881 to 1891 inclusive, and still finding nothing... How's this for a plan...

Give me some dates of deaths of Margery's closest relations (ie, father, step brothers or sisters, etc), and I'll go look for their obituaries to see if Margery is mentioned ;D

I have Thomasine Sisley who died age 83 in March 1898, so I will start there. Obviously the more recent obituaries will give a lot more detail, so if you have any deaths after that date I may be able to find more from them.

What does everyone think

[suekemp]

Hi,
Margery's father John Sisley died March qrt. 1911 age 82yrs. Grandfather John Sisley died June qrt. 1881, Thomasine Sisley [grandmother] died march qrt. 1898.
John Sisley married Grace Stevens Berriman 1876 March qrt. if that's any help. Haven't looked up her death yet.
Cheers Sue