A question for you: have you taken a DNA test? I did mine via Ancestry and have uploaded it to a couple of other sites. I am starting to get enough matches to backup some of my theories where I am looking to bridge a record gap. I am thinking of you since I am getting more matches in Australia and have had my first 2 to people in New Zealand recently. It's "new science" to me, but helpful particularly if I have a shared match (unless it is my sibling who is related to all the same people that I am!)
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 11, 2017 7:16:28 GMT -5
Although I have not been able to find anything definitive I have found enough to suggest this just might be your William. And the fact that his first son was named John and after he died a second son given the same name is an indication that this was the name of William's own father. That then gives us a reason to suggest that William might well have been the son of John Jacka and Margaret Terril as we have previously suspected.
Hi guys hope you are all well. I am still waiting for my DNA results but in the mean time hours of research has gone by. We have narrowed down our list of candidates to just three. On top of the list is your suggestion that John Jacka and Margaret Tyrell are William's parents. I just found a family tree on Ancestry that suggests you might be correct. Let me relate the links.
We have an immigration record for a William Jacka aged 20 arriving in South Australia on the Queen Bee that departed England on 29/11/1864 and arrived on 10/3/1865. Travelling with William was his wife Catherine (Hosking) aged 17 and their son John. John died during the voyage in December 1864. William and Catherine were married in April 1864 and John was born soon after. When they arrived in SA Catherine gave birth to another son they named John on 31/3/1865. His name is listed as John Finlay Jacka. In 1866 Catherine and John left South Australia and moved to Fiji where she re married stating she was a widow. We just don't know what happened to William. Did he really die or did she just say that and William was left in SA. We don't know. However this tree on Ancestry links this William with our William in Bulli and they state he died in New South Wales in 1890 the same as our William. I sent the owner of this tree a message asking if he has any evidence this William died in NSW in 1890.
I can't find any record of the marriage of William Jacka and Catherine Hosking. It is mentioned to happen in Penzance in April 1864. If we could find a marriage record hopefully we could determine who William's parents are. If there were John and Margaret well then I think we have a hit!
Of course if you remember the family state that William came to Australia with his two brothers then this story above does not fit. However we can not find any records of a William Jacka and his brothers arriving in Australia. We have exhausted every list known! Maybe the truth is he arrived with his wife and was left here!
Any chance you know where to find marriage records in Penzance?
PS William's brothers were John and Richard and we did as you suggested to see if we could find immigration records for these. But we drew a blank.
You may recall that John Snr, John Jnr, Richard and William were in the 1861 census but missing in the 1871 census. We found that John Snr died in 1865.
William could be missing because he married in 1864 and was not living with the family. We all made an assumption that all three children left England together after their father died. This would explain William's absence from the 1871 census because he was already in Australia. He got married and left before his father died!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 22, 2017 22:12:44 GMT -5
Any chance you know where to find marriage records in Penzance?
The marriage of William Jacka and Catherine Hosking did not take place in any of the CofE Churches for which I have most records now. The Registration Number in FreeBMD is 524 which enables me to approximate where the marriage might have taken place. Registration No 519 has at least one marriage at the Primitive Methodist Chapel in Penzance whilst Registration No 520 is for the Baptist Chapel also at Penzance. Reg. No. 521 I cannot find any records for but it is probably also a non-conformist Chapel. There are no marriages recorded for Registration No 521 which indicates a gap between registers and then for numbers 523 and 524 I cannot find any records. These are either more non-conformist marriages or they may be the first of the Registry Office Marriages. Registration numbers for the June Quarter in the Penzance district go up to 529.
You could try searching newspapers of the time for news of the marriage but otherwise your best option might be to spend a few dollars and order a copy of the marriage certificate.
I think we are getting closer to solving this mystery.
The marriage certificate of William Jacka and Catherine Hosking arrived today.
The details are:
Date = 26 April 1864 Groom = William Jacka aged 20 years a tin miner living in Ludgvan. His father was John Jacka a tin miner Bride = Catherine Hosking aged 18 years. Her father was William Hosking a tin miner.
Both groom and bride made their mark indicating they could not write.
William’s age of 20 gives a DOB circa 1844 which is a perfect match for the Penwith research:
“In 1844 at Marazion a William Jacka was born to parents John and Margaret (nee Terril/Tyrrell). William was the fourth of fifteen children born to this couple who moved to Towednack around the mid-1840s and then to Ludgvan around where John died in 1865. Of the fifteen children there were eight who died at the age of 1 or under whilst the eldest child lived until she was 12. In the 1861 Census the six surviving children - John, Richard, William, Benjamin, James Henry and Elizabeth Ann - were living at Towednack with their parents but in 1871 only James and Elizabeth were living at home with their widowed mother. Benjamin married Elizabeth Ann Oats in 1867 and was living with his parents-in-law in 1871 but the three eldest sons are not to be found.
Although he cannot yet be found on passenger lists and bearing in mind the possibility of inaccuracies on the death certificate this William Jacka matches fairly closely with the information you have.
1. He was born in England 2. He was born in 1844 which makes him just two years younger than indicated on the death certificate 3. He was in Cornwall April 1861 but cannot be found in England after this so he therefore fits closely with the emigration information you have”>
Also William’s father died in 1865 in Ludgvan the same place William and Catherine were married in 1864.
In addition John and William’s occupation in the census records show them as tin miners.
We have a police report from Bulli NSW in 1885 which described William as 36 but this William was 40 or 41. I recall the report suggested he was young looking. So he could have been older than he looked.
The DC of William Jackab said he was 48 making his DOB circa 1842. It also stated 30 years in NSW which does not match. 1890 – 1865 = 25.
But starting to tick some boxes I think!
Catherine took he son John with her to Fiji and she remarried in 1872 to John Finlay III. There is nothing to indicate what happened to William. There is no death record for any William Jacka's in Moonta mines that match his description and we can't find any passenger records fro Catherines trip to Fiji. I sent the National Library an email asking them if they have passenger records fro this trip.
BTW William and Catherine arrived on the Queen Bee that docked in Adelaide SA on 10 March 1865. Their son John died in December 1864 en route to Adelaide they gave birth to another John on 31 March 1865. We have records of them catching another ship in Adelaide taking them to Moonta Mines in South Australia.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2017 4:55:26 GMT -5
That is certainly looking more and more like our suspicions have been correct. The next interesting thing here will be to try and identify Catherine Hosking but she may also prove to offer a few problems. According to FreeBMD and the GRO Indexes the most likely candidate would be a Catherine Hasking born in the December Qtr of 1845 with mother's maiden name recorded as 'Pearce' however I can find no likely candidate in the 1851 or 1861 Census. A search of marriages also fails to show any William Hosking (var.) marrying a Pearce in the right time-frame. The only other Catherine (Kitty, Catharine, Christian, Christiana) in the GRO Index was born in 1848 with her mother being Charity Cargeege but of course our problem here is that Catherine was supposedly age 18 when married in 1864. However, the passenger list of the Queen Bee indicates that in 1865 Catherine (now Jacka) was then age 17 so perhaps she was indeed the daughter of William and Charity.
Would it be possible for you to send me a copy of the Marriage Certificate of William Jacka? There are other things such as signiatures that might help me to identify Catherine and anyone else involved.
I give such wonderful suggestions like take a DNA test. Top of my list today is a Jacka (Redruth) match. Also links to the Luke family. If and when I figure out the background information, I will share it!
No. The Jackas I possibly connect to seem to be from Redruth and moved to Michigan. According to information from the family,there was a John Jacka born about 1843 Redruth who died in a mining accident circa 1892 in California. At least the might let you eliminate him from consideration.
As I dig into this match, I can make a Luke family connection, but that is on my grandfather's side of the family, and my shared matches all relate to my grandmother's.
Last Edit: Jul 14, 2017 22:29:20 GMT -5 by zibetha
Well the DNA test proved to be the best thing I have done. The results had an extremely high "hit". I contacted the other person and it turns out her grandfather was a Jacka from Fiji!
His name was Alexander James Jacka a son of John (Finlay) Jacka who was the infant who migrated to Fiji circa 1870 with his mother Catherine Jacka (Hosking). Catherine was the wife of William Jacka. William is the son of John Jacka and Margaret (Tyrell) as per your suggestion earlier in these posts.
We have William and Catherine's marriage certificate showing his father as john. The marriage was in 1864 just before their voyage to Australia on the Queen Bee arriving in March 1865. John was born on 31 March 1865.
We now presume that William was left in Australia when hi wife and son went to Fiji. We have no death records for him around this time.
So with the DNA test and there being no other logical suspect to fit the crime William and Catherine and their son John are it!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 6, 2017 4:55:56 GMT -5
That sounds like an excellent piece of collaborative work has provided the answers to what began as a rather difficult problem!
It might be worth now comparing DNA results to confirm the identities of Catherine Hosking and then perhaps Margaret Terril (var.). From the work I have done I am now almost certain that Catherine Hosking was baptized at Lelant 25th May 1848 to William Hosking and Charity Cargeege. (Catherine's birth was registered in 1847)
William Hosking was baptized at Lelant in 1822 to Thomas Hosking and Catherine Grosse. Charity Cargeege was baptized at Madron in 1827 to John Cargeege and Alice Trembath.
I am also reasonably sure Margaret Terril was baptized at Gwinear in 1821 to John Terril and Ann Rapson.
BTW - if you have any further details about events in Fiji (e.g. date and place of Catherine's marriage to John Finlay) I would like to add them to my database. You never know what other connections might surface in the future.
I cant seem to break the code about the Jacka's. We know that William's parents are John and Margaret Tyrell. John has an estimated DoB 1821 in one of the census records. Their marriage certificate states both fathers were called John.
Ancestry keeps giving me tips that John's parents are John (1802) and Betsy Oxnam (1801) but there is another John (1802) and Mary (1805). Neither of them quite fit. John and Betsy were married after John was born.