Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 23, 2016 4:10:59 GMT -5
Excellent Zib - I will chase up on that Lease document for Christopher Cock and see what I can find. I will also be very, very interested to learn more about this DNA match involving Thomas Trewheela and Catherine Barnes!
I have just been working my way through the Crowan BTs (along with my PR records) to try and list all of the Trewhela events in that Parish. At the moment it looks like the earliest entry might be a burial for a Henry Trewhela in 1683 but I have no idea where he might hae come from ........ UNLESS we might be wandering into territory involing Trewhela als Polglase/Polglase als Trewhela!!! I have some records for those around Breage and Cury .............
I won't be doing too much more tonight apart from these BTs but it appears there are going to be at least a couple of early marriages missing for the family at Crowan. If I can get all this stuff updated it might lead to some clues about where I might search for them.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 23, 2016 4:25:21 GMT -5
I did find a land record (stored in old dead computer) that was between Christopher Cock on the lives of a number of daughters. 6, I believe, and dated before the birth of his youngest daughter, Mary. That would establish the existence of another daughter who might have been the wife of Christopher Trehwella.
Do you have any further details of this record?? I have been unable to find it in the CRO Catalogue under the name Christopher Cock or Christopher Cocke so if you have further details, especially the CRO reference number and the date, it would certainly be helpful.
You got my attention, CT when you mentioned the 1686 marriage at Camborne I have reviewed my workbook on my "Trewhela" line and did not find a John married to Grace. From further posts on this thread, I do have Ann Trewhela and William Hocking with children born at Illogan (I am sure that comes from another thread on this board.)
It looks like I am your 8th cousin through the link to Elizabeth Hocking, Citroen Lady. I have not identified William Trewhella's parents, John and Grace, which might result in another connection.
On the DNA side of the equation, I recently reviewed a match that would line up with your branch. I'm still working on it in case I relate to a different branch of my match's family. But, the Trewhela line is in first place right now To date, I have three matches with other descendants of my ancestors, Thomas Trewhela and Martha Blewett. My tree is private, so I don't see the DNA circles that you refer to. Ancestry did sample some shortly after I got my results, but I did not find any connections to my possible "common ancestors."
I don't know how Ancestry DNA matches are generated. I have some "cousins" who should show up and don't, but it may be a matter of processing time. A third cousin of mine gifted me my test. He does not show up as a match on Ancestry.com, but when we uploaded our Ancestry DNA tests to gedmatch.com, we did indeed match.
Glad to meet a new cousin,
I hope to reply to the thread and to messages tomorrow. I went down with the mother of all migraines, suddenly, this afternoon. It knocked me for six. NOT a good time to be incapacitated! Here's hoping for a better day tomorrow.
It's official -- We have a DNA match It's 6.9 centiMorgans. Ancestry displays 6.0 and above, on Gedmatch the default is 7.0, so you will have to specify a lower minimum segment size when you run the comparison.
I'll send a personal message next. We should check to see if Trewhela is the only line we have in common.
A bit of an update: A "Trewhela cousin" of mine who matches me on Ancestry.com has pitched in by uploading his test to Gedmatch.com to see if we could triangulate our match with that of Citroen Lady. The result is that I matched both, but they don't match with each other. So, Citroen Lady and I must have another link or got a different segment of Trewhela DNA.
I happen to have three matches with descendants of Thomas Trewhela and Martha Blewett so far. I descend from daughter Anne, my Gedmatch hero from her sister Martha and her first husband, a man in Australia from Martha's second marriage, and a third (actually with the longest segment match) from their brother Thomas Trewhela and wife Elizabeth Hancock.
I am researching a possible 4th Trewhela match to a great-great-grandson of Thomas "Trewhealer" Vincent (descendant of Thomas Trewhela and Catherine Barnes) who married Mary Jane Eustice and moved to Upper Michigan. So far I have ruled out a lot of his other family branches as not showing any link to mine. Mary Jane's parents, though, were George Eustice b: 1811 (Crowan) and Thomasine Symons (Perranuthnoe?) Because of my family's connections to Crowan and to the Semmons/Semmens/Symons (etc.) family there, there could be other possibilities for the DNA Match that I have not figured out yet.
Post by citroenlady on Dec 30, 2016 6:47:25 GMT -5
We are also relates through other branches of our families, Zib. I sent you a PM days ago. Maybe you didn't notice it! We had a Trewhela+Trethowan marriage further back than Mary Ann's relationship with my Gt grandfather Trethowan and other links as well
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 30, 2016 7:03:00 GMT -5
We had a Trewhela+Trethowan marriage
That is interesting! But I am not able to find the marriage you refer to. I'd appreciate it if you could post the details of this for me so that I can correctly identify the people involved. As I don't seem to have it this marriage might help me identify some other links that are currently only tentative.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 30, 2016 13:28:02 GMT -5
That's okay - just as you can is fine. I am in the middle of a transcription project at the moment which should be completed hopefully tomorrow and then I have some old family photos to start scanning but that can be interrupted once you have found the information and I will check it out.
Post by citroenlady on Dec 31, 2016 13:49:55 GMT -5
Well, an exhaustive search has failed to reveal the Trethowan-Trewella marriage I'm sure I saw on two previous occasions, so my apologies, CT. The trouble is I browse late at night if I can't sleep, and it's awkward to save things on the phone. If/when it comes to light you'll be the first to know!
I have compared my tree to Zib's extensively now, and it's no exaggeration to describe our relationship as "complicated" Apart from the Trewella connection, we share have no fewer than 60 surnames in our trees, the majority of which I am directly descended from. I'm sharing those names with Zib and will be interested to hear how she thinks we should best proceed on the DNA side. Several of my branches intertwine from one side of my family to the other, generations back, quite apart from a number of 1st cousin marriages in more recent generations.
What to do!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE! Let's hope it's a good one
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 31, 2016 15:01:50 GMT -5
Ahh! That actually puts my mind at ease somewhat! It had concerned me more than a little that I had never found such a marriage myself. But there are still quite a number of marriages that have not been found and hopefully some day a reference might be found in Wills or other documents that might help identify at least some of them.
I have completed the transcript I was working on and next I need to get started on the photographs but I will also be working on checking my Trewhella (var.) information.
You carry on with your comparisons with Zib and let me know whenever you might need some help and I will see if I can prepare some answers for some unasked questions.
I am rolling up my sleeves so I can type better/faster. Citroen Lady and I appear to be cousins on three lines: Trewhela, Bartill, and Tremayne. The most recent is Trewhela which has me still thinking that that is our DNA match, and I realized that my other Trewhela cousin's DNA link to me could be via the Blewett family. It will take more DNA matches to sort it out. I do realize that the extent of the tests only go so far back, but I am experiencing connections beyond what I expected when the population is small or isolated i.e. US colonists or a religious faith that forbade or discouraged intermarriage.
I have discovered that I am related to both Mary Ann Trewhela and Samuel Trethowan, and both of CLady's parents.