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Post by Tim on May 11, 2011 7:36:44 GMT -5
Eleanor Quick Glasson married Richard Blackmore c1840. Migrated to Hobart, Tasmania, Australia.
Arrived Hobart 17 Dec 1852 with family.
Note: Eleanor's brother Samuel Quick Glasson arrived 8 days earlier ( 9 Dec 1852 as a Convict per Lady Montague ).
Eleanor died 17 March 1890 West Hobart. Buried Cornelian Bay cemetery Hobart.
Samuel Quick Glasson was Tried at Exeter Quarter Sessions 16 Oct 1849 for stealing, he had other previous convictions and was sentenced 10 years and transported to Australia. He had a wife and child at the time of his trial. He died 27 Apr 1860 in the lunatic asylum, New Norfolk, Tasmania.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 11, 2011 10:06:44 GMT -5
G'day Tim and welcom to Penwith Genealogy.  And thankyou also for this update on the Glasson family which is something I certainly did not know.  I look forward to further input from you and I am sure Lannanta in particular will be interested in some discussions with you. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 11, 2011 10:12:03 GMT -5
Tim - for your information:-
Richard Blackmore age 22, bachelor, carpenter of Webber Street, son of James Blackmore, farmer, and Ellen Quick Glasson age 22, spinster of Webber Street, daughter of John Glasson, whitesmith, were married 28th June 1840 at St George the Martyr, Southwark, Surrey
Witnesses were Robert Thomas and Mary Newcombe Andrew
CT
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 14:07:47 GMT -5
Hello Tim
The marriage was also reported in the West Briton newspaper:
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 15:38:01 GMT -5
Tim
Eleanor Quick Glasson, born on 12th March 1820 and baptised at St Mary's Wesleyan, Truro on 21st May.
Samuel Quick Glasson, born 19th August 1821 and baptised at St Mary's Wesleyan, Truro on 9th December. He married Jane Ould on the 8th May 1844 at Constantine. Details:
8th May 1844 at Constantine
Groom: Samuel GLASSON
Groom Age: Full
Groom Residence: Kenwyn St, Kenwyn
Groom Condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession: Smith
Groom Signed
Groom Father Name: John GLASSON
Groom Father Rank Profession: Smith
Bride: Jane OULD
Bride Age: Full
Bride Residence: Durgan
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Marked
Bride Father Name: John OULD
Bride Father Rank Profession: Labourer
Licence
Witness: Thomas TRESIDDER
Witness: John OULD
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Post by Tim on May 23, 2011 15:12:34 GMT -5
From convict record ( 1 of 3 ) held at the Tasmanian Archives - CON14/1/43 Samuel Glasson alias Sampson Glasson Age 33 Height 5ft 8in Religion - Wesleyan Can read and write Married Stement of Offence - stole candlestick from Mr. Lees at Torrington for money 4 months. Trade - Working Engineer Native Place - Penzance Remarks - Wife - Annie (?) Father - John Mother - Wilmot Brothers - John, Nicholas, Richard(Rd), Jeremiah. Sisters - Wilmot, Hannah, Jane, Ellen, Amelia,  ?. (unable to read name of last sister) Note: These are the original records and can be accessed on line (free) Tim |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 15:03:05 GMT -5
Hello Tim
Fascinating site now that I have had a bit of a look at. Some of the descriptions are quite detailed.
I did note that Samuel was finally diagnosed in 1859, if that is the right word, to be a lunatic and died in 1860 in an asylum.
I think that it does look like Annie as his wife, but I do know that he married Jane OULD. I did not know that they had a child so it may be interesting to find out where they are in the 1851 census.
Lannanta
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Post by grandma on Jul 7, 2018 12:53:40 GMT -5
I know that Samuel Glasson married Jane Ould 1844 Cornwall. I have seen his convict records where he lists his wife as Anna & has 1 child.
I know that he was tried in Exeter, Devon. Is that where he was living?
I have checked the 1851 census for Devon & Cornwall & they don't appear on it.
Do you have any information as to what happened to Jane & their child. Was it a boy or girl?
Any help on finding Jane or the child would be most appreciated.
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 26, 2023 2:28:29 GMT -5
Good evening
I note that all through this thread it is stated that Samuel Quick Glasson married Jane OULD in Constantine in 1844. However, it is also readily accepted that in his transportation records his wife's name changes from Jane to Anna, and a child appears from somewhere. Jane does not seem to be found anywhere following Samuel heading to Australia.
Taking a step back there is a very important question to be asked and that is - who is this then?
If this marriage actually happened as reported in this newspaper, and the West Briton newspaper, and this marriage is actually S. Q. Glasson(not S.L.), second son of John Glasson of Truro, then there are two marriages within about a month of each other - but only one of them agrees with the transportation records with the wife being Anna.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 26, 2023 5:17:36 GMT -5
A very common error found in many transcripts due to the way the letter Q was written - it often does look like 'L'. And now for sone oneupmanship!!!  (And this time the name Samuel Quick Glasson is transcribed as JEANNE ERICK Glasson!!  ) From Ancestry - Jersey, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1940 St Helier, Isle of Jersey 1844 Reg. No. 371 March 21st Samuel Quick Glasson age 22 bachelor Smith of St Helier born Truro son of John Glasson, Smith Amy Millar age 25 spinster of St Helier born Yealmpton Devon daughter of William Millar, farmer Married in this Parish according to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of England by Licence by me Francis Jeune Rector Witnesses - Robert Halfyard, Mary Halfyard - bride and groom both signed The brides range could be 20, 26 or 25 and could even be 28 but I have gone with 25 due to the stroke at the top. Also, the bride's signiature looks at first glance to be 'Miller' but very close inspection indicates it may possibly be Millar as entered by the Vicar. I was about to hit the 'go' button when I noticed something - this marriage took place SEVEN WEEKS BEFORE the marriage to Jane OUld!!! Perhaps there is yet ANOTHER marriage to be found?!?!? CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 26, 2023 5:36:43 GMT -5
I have checked the signiatures of Samuel Glasson on both the St Helier and the Constantine records and except for simply signing 'Samuel Glasson' at Constantine the two signiatures, to my eyes, are definiately a match.
The question of what happened to Jane should probably now hover to the question of whether there is any record of Samuel Quick Glasson being arrested for Bigamy!!! We may actually find Jane appearing again as Jane Ould.
CT
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 26, 2023 21:33:47 GMT -5
Hello CT
I had a cunning plan but the similarity of the two signatures has put that on hold.
I think the following is Jane OULD, baptism and then in the 1841 census - she is with the Pearce family in Kenwyn Street and sets the scene for her becoming known to Samuel Quick Glasson, and as an aside, also his uncle Samuel the ferret Glasson. While Samuel Quick Glasson is not in Cornwall in the 1841 census, his parents and siblings are 30 or so houses away from Jane OULD and uncle Samuel the Ferret is a few houses closer to her on Kenwyn Street.
Of interest here is in the 1841 census at Durgan (her residence stated in the marriage entry), Jane OULD's parents have a Samuel PEARCE living with them.
At this point of time I do not have anything to add regarding this "wife" as I have not found any evidence relating to her.
However, Amy of Yealmpton - the other "wife" does still appear in the 1851 census just prior to her husband departing for Tasmania.
There is a good chance that the marriage between Amy Glasson and Emanuel Westcott in 1865 is this Amy as in subsequent census Amy Westcott lists her birth place as Yealmpton.
There is no mention of a child of Amy's and I have not found a potential birth for that child referred to in Samuel's transportation papers.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 27, 2023 9:39:23 GMT -5
That is the Jane Ould I had in my database - baptised at Constantine 30th April 1820 daughter of John Ould and Mary (nee Odgers) who married at Constantine 22nd September 1803. I also tried yesterday to find Jane (Ould) in 1851 either as Glasson or as Ould and I also tried to find possible marriages to no avail. Since this latest post of yours I have also now found Amy in 1851, 1861(?) and 1871 with perhaps at least one added question mark.  In 1851 she is at Trevilvas in Probus as you have shown. Key point - age 27. In 1871 Emanuel and Amy Westcott are at Charles, Plymouth - Key point - age 30. In 1861 I think you may find this is Amy:- Holy Trinity, Exeter Mary Mason, head, W, 81, born Exeter Elizabeth Dunn, visitor, W, 80, born Devon, West Morchard Amy GLASS, visitor, W, 30, born, Devon, YealmptonIn the 1841 Census Amy Miller age 20 was with parents William, an ag lab, and Mary living at Yealmpton. So, given I can find no record of a marriage for anyone named 'Glass' to an Amy, it appears likely that this 1861 entry is probably Amy Glasson who by this time has decided to shave 10 years off her age and tell everyone she is a widow. Yet just four years later she retains the Glasson surname and tells everyone she is a 'spinster'!!! It does begin to look like this might be Amy Millar 'on the loose' having discovered her husband was already married but I won't be making any more changes to my database until all the information is digested and appraised. CT |
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 27, 2023 18:15:37 GMT -5
CT
I certainly think that Amy Miller became Amy Glasson and ultimately Amy Westcott before passing away in 1902. To my mind the only thing consistent about her age in the various documents was her inconsistency.
The four references above show to me that Amy Miller was the wife of Samuel Quick Glasson and remained so until he left for Tasmania in 1852, and most likely as you have suggested, until she became a widow in 1860.
What I cannot get my head around is Samuel Quick Glasson himself. Essentially we are being led to believe that leading up to the 21st March 1844 he had been living in St Helier, Jersey and there he married Amy. Approximately 7 weeks later he appears in Constantine on or before the 8th May and marries again. In 1851 his first wife Amy is living near to Truro and so obviously did not stay in Jersey when Samuel Q. left there. In 1841 when Jane Ould is in Kenwyn Street Samuel Q. is living and working in Gloucester.
I think I am going to leave Samuel Q. now with two wives but I am completely unconvinced. I would love to know what happened to Jane Ould and I would just as much love to know which of the two had the child.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 28, 2023 0:49:22 GMT -5
I think I will leave everything as is for the time being as well. I have tried again but keep going around in circles looking for a possible child and possible fate for Jane. But there is one question/consideration that has not been raised.  Let us assume (at least for the time being) that Samuel Quick Glasson did actually marry both Amy Millar and Jane Ould just six weeks apart. That being the case then here is the question:- WHO WAS THE MOTHER OF THE SUPPOSED CHILD ............... was it Amy? was it Jane? OR ......................... IS THERE YET A THIRD WOMAN INVOLVED???  CT |
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?. (unable to read name of last sister)
(And this time the name Samuel Quick Glasson is transcribed as JEANNE ERICK Glasson!! 
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