Have been trawling IGI today and came across this: Children born to William and Amy/Amey Michell of Gwinear
William MITCHEL bpt 10 Feb 1759 Thomas MITCHEL bpt 21 Dec 1760 John MICHELL bpt 2 Jan 1763 *EDWARD MICHELL bpt 1765* George MITCHELL bpt 1769 Paul MICHELL bpt 7 Jul 1771 Elizabeth MICHELL bpt 14 Nov 1779 Tobias MICHELL bpt 4 Jun 1781
I think they had a break during the 70's
I found this on OPC
BAPTISMS - DETAILS OF RECORD ID 1056417: Parish: Wendron Date: 25-Jun 1738 Name: Amy ANGOVE Sex: F Father: John Mother: Mary Residence: Father's rank/profession: Register notes: Transcriber Notes: Transcriber: K.Bretthauer
BURIALS - DETAILS OF RECORD ID 612274: Parish: Gwinear Date: 24-Dec 1783 Name: Amy MICHELL Age: Residence: Register notes: wife of Wm. (Buffcoat) Transcriber Notes: Transcriber: Roger Shirley
And these for a William
BURIALS - DETAILS OF RECORD ID 612073: Parish: Gwinear Date: 27-Aug 1775 Name: William MICHELL Age: Residence: Register notes: Transcriber Notes: Transcriber: Roger Shirley
BURIALS - DETAILS OF RECORD ID 612189: Parish: Gwinear Date: 30-Mar 1780 Name: William MICHELL Age: Residence: Register notes: Transcriber Notes: Transcriber: Roger Shirley
I'm unsure about the burial notices. Unless Tobias was conceived and dad passed away?
My other query is regarding John Michell's (1824) siblings and what became of them. I have the baptism date for Mary Ann (9 April 1826), however, she does not appear on the 1841 census. I wonder if this is her?
BURIALS - DETAILS OF RECORD ID 1006439: Parish: Ludgvan Date: 13-Dec 1835 Name: Mary Hannah MITCHELL Age: 10 Residence: Colurrian Register notes: Transcriber Notes: Transcriber: Bill Curnow
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 14, 2010 7:19:57 GMT -5
Hi Jo - I don't think I have ever tried to find a baptism for Amy Angove so I cannot comment on the Wendron baptism at the moment.
But I can make a comment about the burials.
Notice that Amy was buried in 1783 'wife of William'. That usually indicates that William was still alive which means neither of the next burials would be him.
I should point out thought that I have seen the odd similar entry where the person being buried was actually widowed.
But more often than not it is 'as read' so from that I would think we are looking elsewhere for a burial for William.
I have also not yet tried to trace the siblings of John (1824) but the burial for Mary Ann does look promising. Age is about right and the abode, taking into account the many varied ways it can be spelt, also appears about right.
If I get a chance over the next few days I might try to find some more of the family but for now it is time for a good rest.
Post by myghaelangof on Dec 14, 2010 17:50:13 GMT -5
Hi there Jo, and CT,
My apologies for joining this conversation a little late in the day. Jo, you are quite correct in finding Amy the daughter of John and Mary. she was baptised 25 June 1738 the daughter of John ANGOVE and Mary, nee CHAPMAN.
As I understand this is the line: John ANGOVE bapt Illogan 13 July 1712 son of Edward and Amy ANGOVE. John married Mary CHAPMAN (I only have a date of 1737 so this may have been an estimation!) and he was buried 31 Jan 1794 at Gwinear.
It is quite conceivable that Edward and Amy (nee KNEEBONE) are my direct line, but this has been tricky to prove to say the least.
I have plenty more on this family but, as it is getting late, I'll leave it there for tonight. Let me know when you are back from your break.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 15, 2010 5:08:21 GMT -5
Mike - I have a couple of comments/queries for you.
John ANGOVE bapt Illogan 13 July 1712 son of Edward and Amy ANGOVE. John married Mary CHAPMAN (I only have a date of 1737 so this may have been an estimation!) and he was buried 31 Jan 1794 at Gwinear
I have to presume for the moment that the name of John's wife was found in a Will. As I have not been able to find the marriage I presume also that the date (1737) is an estimation based on the baptism of Amy who appears to be the first known child.
The parentage of John Angove and also his burial are where I have the questions.
I have been able to find six children for John and Mary (all IGI at this stage) - Amy, Mary, Elizabeth, Anne, Anne and Edward.
Amy being the first daughter and Edward the only son suggests that John was probably the son of Edward and Amy as you suggest.
But then there is the burial which appears in the transcription of Gwinear Burials 1700-1799:-
John Angove, near 90yo 31st January 1795
Note that the year is 1795 but more importantly note that he was 'near 90yo'.
If we start with the assumption that these records are 'near accurate' then he was born around 1705 or thereabouts.
It seems obvious that he is most likely the son of Edward and Amy so if he was baptised fairly promptly then he was born around 1712.
Was he baptised a little late? ....... or is 'near 90' being a little optimistic!
And one more question - the marriage of Edward ANGOVE and Amy KNEEBONE??
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 16, 2010 5:24:11 GMT -5
G'day Mike - baptisms of Elizabeth (8th November 1707 Illogan) and Edward (8th October 1709 Illogan) are verified from the Bawden Transcript.
I don't have the baptism from John (except IGI) as what I have of Bawden only covers to 1710.
I have now found the abstract of the elder Edward's Will but I don't have any burial records for Illogan between 1676 and 1813.
The gap between writing and proving the Will is not altogether unusual but the abstract in this case gives no clue as to a possible reason. The children were all in their 30s so it is not a case of a minor involved as executor and having to deal with trustees etc.
AHA - looking at your note again and I notice that you do not have a burial date for Edward but merely state that he died in 1745.
That looks like a possible assumption that he died soon after writing his Will but I am going to suggest that the Proving of the Will was not too long after he died. And that means you need to look for a burial around 1751 or 1752 I would think.
Post by myghaelangof on Dec 16, 2010 5:48:43 GMT -5
Hi CT, A lot of what I have on the Angove lines is sketchy. I havent really touched it since the early '80s when I first got into genealogy, hence I dont even know where half the info came from! I came to a brick wall and moved away from my own name! Must get stuck in and crack the Angove line.
Edward senior's will left "24 parts in 23 pairs of tin bounds at Carennkeigh and there about"
Some if not all of these parts were probably inherited from Alice ANGOVE, spinster, who died in 1708. She left to: "Edward ANGOVE son of Oliver of Illogan, one third part of all and every of my tin bounds in and throughout the ball or balls called Carnkeigh in Illogan parish"
She left another third to William ANGOVE son of John of Camborne, and the final third to William ANGOVE son of Will of Illogan.
Good luck to Jo to unravel her's, and maybe my, ANGOVE ancestry. Things have moved on over the years and I'm sure there is now more info available to make this achievable
"A name perpetual, and a fame permanent and immortal"
Hi all. That's fantastic tracing so much of the Angove line and I hope I can concentrate on it more in the New Year. Mike, I hope more records will be transcribed and made available, and yes a lot of luck is indeed needed Thanks ;D Just thought I'd throw this into the mix. I have no idea if there is a connection to my line, but there are a lot of name similarities.
Nowell MICHELL alias ANGOVE of Gwinear Dated 19 Feb 1630/1 To poor of Gwinear, 5s To son ARTHUR, 12d, and to his children 6d apiece To son William, 12d, and to his children 6d apiece To son John, 12d, and to his children 6d apiece To son Henry, 12d To daughter Elizabeth VERRAN, 12d and to her children 6d apiece To children of BENNAT ROSEWARNE, 6d apiece To daughters Anne, Margaret and Margery, 12d each For tithes forgotten, 3s 4d To wife Amie, residue (including chattel lease called Reola held of Sir William GODOLPHIN, knight), and executrix The sign of Nowell (x) Michell alias Angove Witnesses: Otho POLKINHORNE, William PENWARDEN Inventory taken 22 May 1632 by Thomas MICHELL & Wm PENWOAREN Proved 12 Dec 1632 (Ref. AP/M/544 – CRO)
In a way I hope not. Have read with dread about aliases, and I'm not looking forward to it. Hope St Nick brings you lots of lovely gifts...answers would be wonderful Jo
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 1, 2011 3:16:21 GMT -5
I have not had time to look much at the Nowell Mychill als Angove information but I did just have a quick scan of Phillimore.
John son of Nowell Mychill married Blanch his wife 22nd June 1617 at Gwinear
And then if you look a little further there is this entry:-
William Mychill, alias Nowell married Anne his wife 22nd October 1621 Gwinear
Now, in the case of Nowell and his Will the 'alias' might mean a number of thigs. One is that he was a 'smith' and another is that Angove was a name of one of his parents. (But I am not going there!!!)
In the case of William Mychill, alias Nowell I think it is different.
I think this may signify that William was the son of Nowell Mychill.
Remember that Nowell Mychill named son 'William and his children'.
No sign of a marriage for Nowell and Amy at this stage but I won't pursue it unless you think you might need it.