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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 17, 2009 8:29:20 GMT -5
Thanks Malcolm - I think the Aunt would be the more likely origins for the name Rebecca Mutton Bottrell. I had not pursued siblings of Mary as I was trying to put just enough together to try and help find more about Theophilus. I also had the burial of Theophilus Bottrell at Marazion and I think I had posted it.
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Post by etdog1976 on Oct 18, 2009 20:55:40 GMT -5
I would like to thank everyone for the information. It is interesting. I am new at this. I would like to correct Elijah's birth year as 1837. Malcolm, thank you for all your work. Elijah's father Richard was married to Mary Mutton 1829 Warbstow, England
There childern were:
Theophilus Bottrell Elijah Bottrell Rebecca Bottrell Mary Mutton Bottrell
I can not find a link to William Bottrell. to bad it always fun to have someone famous in you family.
Elijah's brother Theophilus Bottrell was married to Catherine Barns and they had 12 children including another one named Theophilus .
I have Elijah marrying a Ann Richards1861 in Redruth, Cornwall and she died in 1863. Then he married Elizabeth Martin in 1864. They immigrated to America around 1880.
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Post by Mal on Oct 19, 2009 4:58:32 GMT -5
Hello ET,
What I would suggest now, and I'm sure CT would agree, is that you take this information and "process" it and then come back with what you think is the "correct" version and we can work on from there on those little "question marks.
As for William Bottrell "Old Celt", well if we can somehow link these Bottrells back to Sennen there will most probably be a connection somewhere along the line. We need to find out about this Theophilous senior who appears in Jacobstow out of the blue!!! I have a couple of these out-of-the-blue appearances and they do leave you with a lot of headscratching!
As I said before, the Bottrell family/ies are very ancient indeed, with records of Bottrells going back to the Middle Ages, if we could only connect Theophilous to someone in the 18th century then we could go back a lot further in all likelihood.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 19, 2009 12:23:01 GMT -5
Yes I agree with Malcolm that you should piece things together with the information we have found and see what direction you might need to go next.
Keep us updated and we will help you along the way.
But I would appreciate details of the marriage of Richard to Mary Mutton as I cannot find those at the moment.
Also the marriages for Elijah and Theophilus please.
That might help me to help you also.
CT
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Post by etdog1976 on Oct 19, 2009 22:19:17 GMT -5
I have found some different spellings of the name Bottrell.
I am sure we can start with the first Theophilus and his wife Rebecca Burdon. I can only find one child. That would be Richard who was married to Mary Mutton. That would be my great great grandfathers parents.
Looks like they were a member of Bible Christian faith.
I can't find anything on Theophilus and Rebecca except being married 26 Feb 1805 Jocobstow, England and the birth of Richaed in 1807. I did find Theophilus's death in 1846 Devon Cornwall
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Post by etdog1976 on Oct 19, 2009 22:36:59 GMT -5
I don't know where I got Devon. Is there a Devon in Cornwall?
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Post by Mal on Oct 20, 2009 4:51:59 GMT -5
Oh dear... ;D
Saying Devon is in Cornwall won't make you many friends on either side of the Tamar Bridge!!! It's a bit like telling a Canadian he's American or vice-versa!!! LOL!!!!
Cornwall is an administrative county of England (albeit hotly disputed and probably illegal) and also Duchy/Dukedom in her own right. Devon, sometimes Devonshire, is next door to Cornwall and is an historic and administrative county of England.
There is HUGE rivalry between Devon and Cornwall!!!!
The traditional border runs along the Tamar river with Cornwall to the West and Devon to the East. However farther up the boundaries are not so clear and quite often IGI confuses the two "counties". Nevertheless, whoever wrote Cornwall, Devon or vice-versa was as badly informed as someone who might write Texas, Ontario!!!!
As far as many Cornishmen are concerned, Cornwall is Cornwall and England is England!!! If you catch my drift....!
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Post by newlyn on Oct 20, 2009 11:25:21 GMT -5
Go and wash your computer out with soap and water. Devon in Cornwall indeed
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Post by Mal on Oct 20, 2009 14:15:07 GMT -5
Bydh da Newlyn! Ny a whodhon pub onen an ystori Kernew-Pow Saws! To be fair to ET, I have seen a lot of entries that confuse Cornwall with Devon and also write Cornwall, England!!! Grrr.....!
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Post by etdog1976 on Oct 20, 2009 15:24:57 GMT -5
Please accept my apology. In no way do I mean to offend the good people of Cornwall.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 20, 2009 15:48:45 GMT -5
That's okay mate. Do you have details of the date and place for the marriage of Theophilus and also for Richard? If so could you let us know so we can get a better idea of things and maybe where to look for further clues. CT
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Post by etdog1976 on Oct 20, 2009 17:35:58 GMT -5
I have a record from Ancestry.com from Perranuthnoe & St Hilary Familyies: 1. Theophilus Bottrell married Rebecca Burdon 26 Feb 1805 Jacobstow 2. Richard Bottrell was born about 1807. He married Mary Mutton 1829 Warbstow +3. i Theophilus Bottrell was born about 1829 4. ii Rebecca Mutton Bottrell was born 22 Mar 1835 5. iii Elijah Bottrell was born 21 Mar 1837
3. Theophilus Bottrell. He married Chatherine Barnes 19 Aug 1850 in St. Hilary. She was the daughter of Samuel Barns and Mary Gilbert. She was born about 1829
Children of Theophilus Bottrell and Chatherine Barnes 6 i Mary Ann Bottrell born about 1850 in Marazion 7 ii Elizabeth Jane Bottrell born about 1853 in Marazion 8 iii Eliza Bottrell born Apr 1855 in Marazion 9 iv Theophilus Bottrell born about 1859 in Marazion 10 v Catherine Bottrell was born 30 Nov 1861 in Marazion 11 vi Jonne Bottrell was born 30 Jan 1864 in Marazion 12 vii Bessie Bottrell was born 27 Jul 1866 in Marazion 13 viii Sarah Gertrude Bottrell was born 16 jan 1869 in Marazion 14 ix Annie Peters Bottrell was born 16 Jan 1869 in Marazion 15 x Beatrice Annie Bottrell was born 3 Oct 1871 in Marazion 16 xi Samuel was born 3 Oct 1871 in Marazion
I have a document from FreeCen dated 1841 Census Penwith-Cornwall Enumeration District 9 Civil Perish Illogan Ecclesiastical Parish
Richard Bottrell age 30 Ag lab. Mary Bottrell age 25 I think Mary may be Chatherine middle name Theophulus Bottrell age 11 Rebecca Bottrell age 6 Elijah Bottrell age 4 Mary Bottrell age 2
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Post by etdog1976 on Oct 23, 2009 17:13:17 GMT -5
malcolm, I looked through the Bottrell's names related to the Vingoe's. I did not see any name that I recognize, thanks for the information.
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Post by Mal on Oct 24, 2009 6:21:24 GMT -5
ET- the Vingoe family were very localised in the West Penwith area, principally Sennen, St Just, Mousehole, Paul, Newlyn, Madron and Penzance- the usual suspects! With these Bottrell's coming from East Cornwall it is not likely that we'll find a Vingoe link.... unless the original Theo B. came from the West Penwith area, which is my hunch but for which we also have no proof. The big question here is- THE BAPTISM OF THEOPHILOUS BOTTRELL SENIOR? Taking 21 off the wedding date (allowing for full age) we arrive at 1784. This is not always an accurate way but it gives something to work on. Where? Who? Very few Botterells turn up in these parishes beforehand althouth..... 28-Mar 1784 Warbstow John BOTTERELL Joan PEARN Very tempting date too....
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Post by newlyn on Oct 24, 2009 7:04:38 GMT -5
There was a John Botterell born 23.3.1736 Tremaine. Parents were John Botterell and Jane Sanders (Saunders) They married 13.5.1736 Treneglos Possible marriage for the John Botterell b.1736 is 28.3.1784 to Joan Pearn at Warbstow. Theophilus Botterell married Rebecca Burden 26.2.1805 Jacobstow. In the 1841 census they are living with a Richard Sleeman and family at Church Town, Warbstow. Warbstow, Treneglos and Tremaine are in the same area. Thankyou for your apology etdog
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