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Post by annbarry on Apr 27, 2009 13:44:52 GMT -5
I believe she was the wife of John Eustace or eustice born Gwinear in 1828,but can't find any proof. Children of John and Catherine were: :Jane 1848, Elizabeth 1851, John 1853, Henry 1856, Ann 1858, Rebeckah 1861, George 1863, Alice Emma 1867. Can anyone out there confirm this.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 27, 2009 14:27:23 GMT -5
The 1851 Census shows them at Ludgvan with daughters Jane and Elizabeth.
Catherine's age is consistent with the baptism of Catherine d/o Thomas and Alice Perry at Zennor in 1829 and Zennor is also her stated birthplace.
The name was spelt EUSTICE at that time.
Just had a quick look and cannot find the marriage in FreeBMD so will have to have another hunt around tomorrow.
If you have any further information that may help please post it here and I will follow upon it and see if I can get the answers for you.
CT
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Post by newlyn on Apr 27, 2009 15:04:53 GMT -5
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Post by annbarry on Apr 28, 2009 11:55:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the help.I had assumed that this was indeed our Catherine and have been searching in vain for a record of the marriage. We have this Catherine and John as parents to Henry Eustace who married Catherine Quick daughter of John Quick and Ann Glasson of Quick problem fame, in 1878.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 28, 2009 12:08:44 GMT -5
AHA - the waters suddenly become unmuddied! Now that I know exactly which family we are looking at the problem becomes a little easier. I believe she was Catherine THOMAS. John EUSTICE married Catherine THOMAS Redruth R.D. March Qtr 1846. She is probably the following:- Catherine d/o George and Catherine THOMAS bp. 25th July 1830 at Zennor This baptism is from only a very quick look through the Zennor baptisms but I think it is probably the right one. The only other Catherines baptised close to this are 1832 and 1833. From this list I show Ann (1858) as Catherine and had not gone any further than 1861 so did not have George or Alice Emma. However the appearance of George would fit with Catherine being the daughter of George THOMAS. Hope that is of some help. CT
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Post by annbarry on Apr 28, 2009 13:43:56 GMT -5
Only problem with this is that I have E.mail contact with someone who has birth certificates for children of John and Catherine which states that their mother was a Catherine Perry. THey are Jane born in 1848, John born in 1853 and Henry born in 1856. This contact also unable to find a marriage. John Eustice is this persons G G grandfather and also the same relation to my cousin.
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Post by annbarry on Apr 28, 2009 13:50:06 GMT -5
Could it be possible there were 2 John and Catherine Eustices born around the same time in the same places?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 28, 2009 14:24:35 GMT -5
This is most peculiar. The only possible marriage in FreeBMD is that of John EUSTICE and Catherine THOMAS. We know that Catherine was born at Zennor about 1829/30 from the Census records. This certainly fits with her being Catherine THOMAS and also with her parents being George and Catherine. I thought it possible that George THOMAS had married a Catherine PERRY so had a check of that. Unfortunately George married Catherine THOMAS (probably a first cousin) at Zennor in 1825. Right now I have no answer as to how the PERRY name comes into this or why it would be on two birth certificates if it were not correct. Will think some more and see what alternatives I can come up with. CT
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Post by annbarry on Apr 29, 2009 12:58:05 GMT -5
Thought you might be interested in some information i found on the internet on the Roots web site.Under the headingEustice-L(Eustice). "Seeking male descendants of John Eustice christened 21st March 1827 in Gwinear parish church and died 1874, son of Henry Eustis and Jane Uren. He married Catherine Perry in 1848 who was christened in Zennor 27th July 1829. The children all match those I had listed. Will try to contact this source to see if they have any marriage details.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 29, 2009 15:34:54 GMT -5
That looks like information from the thread Newlyn posted a couple of days ago.
If that is the case then they have no marriage details except for 'about 1848'.
I have been trying to piece the PERRY family together to see if I could gain any more clues.
Got side-tracked into other connections with this family but it will all help.
Nothing concrete as yet but hope to do some more tomorrow.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 29, 2009 15:52:26 GMT -5
Had one last look before going to have a meal. Thought I would take a look at the 1841 and 1851 Census records for Catherine THOMAS and found something very interesting. It appears that the Catherine THOMAS I have pencilled in as having married John EUSTICE might actually be still unmarried in 1851. If it is the same girl she was living with her grandmother. Will try and follow up more on this tomorrow but it certainly throws some new light on matters. Probably not a bad thing either as that THOMAS family needs some sorting out anyway. More tomorrow I hope. CT
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Post by annbarry on Apr 30, 2009 4:41:31 GMT -5
Have made contact with the person researching our couple.They say that they have never been able to find record of marriage of John and Catherine Perry. "either they never got married, it never made the GRO index or was to garbled in the index to find." They also mentioned the birth certificate of their son John stating that Catherine Perry was his mother. They have also discovered that Catherine's mother Alice Curnow had an out of wedlock daughter before she married Thomas Perry, also named Alice Curnow. This daughter later married George Eustic, the half brother of Catherine's husband, John Eustice. This all seems to tie in bbut it would be nice to have more proof. I will have to visit Truro records office for a searching session!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 30, 2009 6:55:44 GMT -5
I am going to recheck the THOMAS data that I was looking at last night and see if it gives any further clues. In the meantime I wonder if you could do me a favour please? Looking at the online EUSTIS tree I notice that the line goes back to George EUSTIS bp. 4th January 1736 at Crowan. Firstly - the IGI shows this as 'January 1735'. I know other sources will have provided the day of the event but I think, in this case, whoever has submitted this data has 'updated' the year component and it should really read 1735. However - to the point! It is stated in this Tree that the parents were George EUSTIS and Charity (nee BERRIMAN). The entry in Phillimore reads:- George EUSTIS & Charity his wife ..... I would like to know how it has been determined that the wife was actually Charity BERRIMAN. I do not doubt the possibility but would like this confirmed so I can update my BERRIMAN records accordingly. CT
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Post by annbarry on Apr 30, 2009 8:16:55 GMT -5
You've got me there. Just been checking the information I had been looking at: They have John's father as Henry born in 1776 this seems wrong as he would have been over 50 by then. seems more likely that Henry was John's grandfather. they were preceded by 3 Georges born 1736, 1694, and 1666. they give the george born in 1694 as being married 2 Charity Berryman. looks like I really have to go to Truro. Have been trying to follow other family trees on Ancestry.co. uk but the whole Eustice thing seems very muddled. So far I had only gone back as far as John and Catherine as I then was following the Quick trail. I'll get round to it drekkly, caravan season has just started so not a lot of spare time.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 30, 2009 13:23:48 GMT -5
Well I think I can probably safely eliminate Catherine THOMAS from the equation! Working through Census and other records I have found that the Catherine THOMAS baptised at Zennor in 1830 d/o George and Catherine was actually born at Truro about 1828. Her father, George, was an accountant or banker's clerk and died prior to the 1841 Census so I am unable to accurately identify him as yet. It does appear that he may have been baptised at Zennor in 1807. However his wife, Catherine, I have identified as baptised in 1801 daughter of William THOMAS and Catherine STEVENS. More work to be done on them. But you led me astray by getting me onto the THOMAS clan! ;D I happened across another little Zennor problem with the THOMAS family and started to look into it - for about 8 hours! But I have finally sorted out one rather large problem. William THOMAS married twice - 1st to Christian EDDY and 2nd to Christian MICHELL And they could not make up their minds whether Christian or Catherine should be recorded so simply 'mixed and matched' as children came along - ALL TWENTY OF THEM! William fathered 20 kids between the two wives and their could still be a couple more to be identified. Now that is done I need to see if I can locate a marriage record somewhere for Catherine PERRY. An exhausted CT
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