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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 26, 2009 1:45:46 GMT -5
Lannanta - I thought you had this burial Paul QUICK age 3-1/2 of St Ives buried 26th April 1854 at St Ives Undoubtedly the son of Andrew QUICK and his wife Jane Michell Sutherland (nee STEVENS) Paul was age 5 months at the 1851 Census. But if you check for him in the 1851 Census via Ancestry you will find his birth recorded in the Index as 1846. The Transcriber has read the '5' but neglected to record the 'mths' following it. CT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 1:58:43 GMT -5
CT Not in my spreadsheet unless I had a man's look . Also I do not have in my family history programme either. But it will be there soon. Have you ever looked at the St Agnes family - John Quick and Grace Harris - sons John and Paul baptised well apart so clearly more children in the middle, of which I now know Jane was one, Grace appears in the 1841 census with the Nankivells? Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 26, 2009 4:49:20 GMT -5
Lannanta - that burial was from the OPC if you want to check it. I had not done much at all with the St Agnes family of John and Grace. But I can now tell you that, according to Phillimore, theirs was the first marriage of a QUICK in that Parish. The children I have are:- James bp. 26th December 1793 St Agnes John bp. 19th January 1795 St Agnes ** John bp. 13th March 1796 St Agnes Robert bp. 28th May 1797 St Agnes and bu. 22nd December 1811 St Agnes Jenifer bp. 6th July 1800 St Agnes Paul bp. 30th March 1807 St Agnes Samuel bp. 28th December 1809 St Agnes (m. Maria EVANS 25th August 1833 St Agnes) Robert bp. 5th April 1812 St Agnes All dates are from IGI and nothing appears to be available online from the PRs. Jenifer is probably 'Jane' from the 1841 Census but I need to ask if you have any evidence of her being the daughter of John and Grace other than the appearance of Grace in the 1841 Census? Robert - the youngest son - married Kitty PEARCE in the Truro R.D. in 1842 and died in 1895. Three children - Nancy, William Henry and James - appear in the 1851 Census. ** I just found a buial for young John in the St Agnes PRs. (What is available online.) 'a child of Jo Quick' buried 15th April 1795 St Agnes That is about the extent of my work on the family. CT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 5:18:13 GMT -5
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I guess we have been looking in the same places today as I have pretty much the same information.
The evidence for Jane is pretty thin so to speak. In the 1841 census Grace Quick, born about 1766, is living with John and Jane Nankivell and their kids. By 1851 Grace has died and so has Jane - there are likely entries in FreeBMD for them. John, a widower, is living with one of his daughters, Jane, who has married a Philip Dunstan. Also with John is one of his daughters named Ann Quick Nankivell.
When John Quick originally married Grace Harris at St Agnes he was a sojourner so it is fair to say he came from elsewhere.
I think that Grace was the daughter of James and Jane Harris, bap 30.6.1766 which goes some way to explaining the first son being named James - it may be that both grandfathers were James??
The range of names of John and Grace's children allow the possibility of John being from West Penwith, likely born around the 1760 to 1775 range. But at this stage I cannot pick him. I guess he could have easily come from Gwennap, Illogan or the like.
Unless the name Samuel gives us the clue and John Quick was baptised in 1757, the son of John Quick and Jane Michel - that John had a brother Samuel. Which then suggests that Samuel went walking as well and he becomes the candidate for the marriage to Eleanor Symonds at Kea in 1786 with their first son being named Paul. The burial for Samuel in Kenwyn in 1819 aged 56 years also fits the age of Samuel with his baptism given at 1761 at St Ives. CT it is a good fit when you think about how important that name Paul is don't you think?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 26, 2009 5:44:13 GMT -5
Lannanta - I had not looked that far into it except to note the names of Robert and Paul (in particular) amongst the children.
I had actually placed all the information (apart from the burial of young John) into he database a long time back but had left it apart from the connection of the Kitty PEARCE marriage to the youngest son Robert.
We need to find a burial for John before we have any chance of identifying him I think unless there is a Will floating about.
CT
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Post by londoner on Apr 26, 2009 7:08:57 GMT -5
Jenifer is probably 'Jane' from the 1841 Census but I need to ask if you have any evidence of her being the daughter of John and Grace other than the appearance of Grace in the 1841 Census? I assume you two have noted : St Agnes (IGI) 27 Dec 1824 John Nankivell m Jane Quick
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 26, 2009 9:43:38 GMT -5
Hello Londoner - very nice of you to get involved! Thankyou for that as I must admit I neglected to check IGI for the marriage. I merely checked OPC and searched for any St Agnes PR information available. But that all fits nicely. Lannanta - I just realised that I had not completed reading your last posting and therefore missed the reference to the possibility of Paul being the son of John and Jane. I did, however, check my database for possible parents for John and concluded that this was the most likely match that I had. Didn't continue any further given that I do not know that I have all baptisms for the areas outside Penwith. Another reason is because of the occurrence of the name Robert as none appears in the family of John and Jane. (Unless you consider the brother of John.) But I certainly agree this is a 'good fit'. I think Samuel has been mentioned in times past but I also agree on the possibility and that is certainly strengthened by the fact that they both turn up in a similar area somewhere around the same time. The names Paul (in particular in this case) and Robert also appear to be uniquely West Penwith which makes for an even stronger case to align both John and Samuel into the family of John and Jane. A check of IGI is most enlightening. Of 55 baptisms for the name Paul Quick there are only two recorded outside Cornwall prior to 1801 and they are both at South Molton in 1766 and 1774. Even more interesting is that these two baptisms both belong to parents named GABRIEL and ELIZABETH Quick! And those two events fit neatly into the family of Gabriel QUICK and Elizabeth (nee MOULD). They had son Gabriel bp. Ludgvan in 1763 and then the next child I have is Henry at Ludgvan in 1767 with Betty being last and bp. 1778 at St Ives. Do we have an occupation for Gabriel? that might suggest some reason for him moving to and from South Molton? I digress (although I think the above is significant). The earliest record of the name (in IGI) outside West Penwith is the baptism of Paul s/o Samuel and Eleanor at Kea in 1787. We then jump forward to 1801 at Oglet, Lancashire and then our boy at St Agnes in 1807. So I think both John and Samuel belong with John QUICK and Jane MICHELL just as you suggest. Another interesting point regarding the family of John and Jane- They had a son Paul baptised at Towednack in 1759. Paul 'son of John QUICK from St Ives' buried 8th November 1782 at Towednack. That just might be suggestive of a reason for Samuel, and later John, naming sons of that name. Add the fact that to date we seem to have no further trace of John and Samuel then ..... What do you think? CT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 14:37:30 GMT -5
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The thing is that I cannot see an alternative for either Samuel of John at the moment and with their grandfather being Paul Quick it just makes the case stronger. When you look at the two families the only name missing is Israel. Saying that I only have two baptisms at the moment for Samuel and Eleanor so maybe there are other children for them that have not been transcribed. Will keep looking.
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Post by Sarch on Apr 26, 2009 15:20:09 GMT -5
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I found the family in the 1871 Census under Stephens
Piece: RG10/2334 Place: St Ives -Cornwall Enumeration District: 6 Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 17 Page: 28 Schedule: 153 Address: Williams Row -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks STEPHENS George Head M M 40 Mariner Cornwall - St Ives STEPHENS Christana Wife M F 39 - Cornwall - St Ives STEPHENS George Son U M 16 Mariner Cornwall - St Ives STEPHENS Paull Son U M 10 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives STEPHENS Christana Dau U F 7 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives STEPHENS Mary A Dau U F 5 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives STEPHENS Alice Dau U F 3 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 26, 2009 15:36:18 GMT -5
Lannanta - children for Samuel and Eleanor:- Paul bp. 12th August 1787 Kea (married before 1819 to Elizabeth ) Jane bp. 17th October 1790 Feock Mary bp. 31st March 1793 Feock Eleanor bp. 28th December 1794 Feock Ann bp. 11th February 1798 Kea Samuel bp. 24th March 1799 Feock All from IGI so far but undoubtedly all the one family. And perhaps the name of the eldest daughter might be of interest. CT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 15:40:27 GMT -5
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Certainly does nothing to dispel our theory. As I said before the name Israel is missing and so is Wilmot - but all the rest of the childrens names are consistent. I think that the best move now is to accept that the link is correct and just add the children and marriages as they come to light.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 27, 2009 4:15:42 GMT -5
Lannanta - I concur! Do you also agree about the children of Gabriel and Elizabeth at South Molton? My opinion is that, in general terms, where we see the names Paul, Israel and Gabriel we are looking at West Penwith. Things do begin to change later but probably up to the middle part of the 19th Century I think it is the case. CT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 16:11:17 GMT -5
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Yes I do because there were more than Pauls baptised at South Molton. There was also Gabriel, James and Edward - which are also family names of Gabriel and Elizabeth Mould - especially Edward.
If there were two Gabriels (1763 and 1765) I do not know where the first one was buried.
From the will of Gabriel Quick of 1826 it appears as if the family had a number of masons. I have no other information to support this but from a quick glance at South Molton there is nothing to suggest an attraction other than being a market town that had some significant development around the time. Maybe the link was Elizabeth Mould as it does not appear that she was from Cornwall.
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Post by nzjohn1 on Apr 28, 2009 1:26:21 GMT -5
Hi all, As NZ is mentioned in this forum I had a look around - some of these data may be useful. These are the names of Quick family and associates present in records held by the Canterbury Museum, Christchurch, NZ. They are transcriptions by various people and are thus subject to all the usual occasional faults. My comments are in brackets. Ages given would be probably those at the time of application for emigration or passage. Quick, Christopher Osborne, b St Ives 12/4/1854, sailed Plymouth 31/10/1877, arrived Lyttelton, NZ 9/1/1878, in the "Hereford", Settled in Kaiapoi, then Clarkeville, then Sefton, died in Balcairn 22/12/1936, bur. Kaiapoi Public Cemetery. Married Emma Jane Mitchell nee Trewhella 12/4/1892. She was born in Nancledra 20/2/1862, sailed from Plymouth 1889, spent 1 month in Sydney, Aus. then to Christchurch NZ. 1st marriage to Simon Thomas Mitchell 1851 - ca. 1891, ex Cornwall, farm labourer (who also emigrated in the) "Hereford" in 1878 (- perhaps Simon and Christopher were known to eachother.) Emma Jane died 2/2/1942. Son Trooper Robert Garfield Quick, wounded Sept/Oct 1915, (see ?enlistment/embarkation? photo in "The Weekly Press" 20/10/1915); killed in action, Palestine 19/4/1917 aged 24 (see muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/12698.detail). (Will check the Canterbury Public Library sometime for the marriage details. A basic listing of all descendents of this family up to 1981 is held in the Canterbury Museum and is subject to its copying/viewing/transcribing conditions) Quick, Leonard. age 19 farm labourer ex Cornwall and Mary 18. On the "Waikato" dep. 1/11/1878 arr. Lyttelton 18/1/1879 Quick, Paul age 39 farm labourer ex Cornwall. On the "Rangitiki" dep. 19/7/1879 arr. Lyttelton 24/10/1879. Quick, Paul. age 48 carpenter ex Cornwall. On the "Mermaid" dep. 29/9/1862 arr. Lyttelton 26/12/1862. (Paul Quick in the ship's passenger list is bracketted with, and thus possibly travelling as a group) Dalley, William Henry 25, Maria Ann 23 and Evans, Charles 26, Mary J 25, Maria 3, W. Kate 11 months. (all from Cornwall.) William Dalley was a blacksmith and died in Lyttelton 18/12/1894 aged 55. Quick, Thomas age 38 farm labourer, ex Cornwall, Elizabeth 38, Maria 19, Elizabeth 19, Annie 17, Mary 15, Sarah 7, Ruth 5, Wilmot 1. On the "Staat Harlem", dep 15/2/1879 arr. Lyttelton 16/4/1879. Thomas died 19/9/1897, and Elizabeth 12/8/1922. Buried Addington Cemetery #126. Death Duty index (no will): Thomas Quick, Quarryman, Spreydon (a Christchurch suburb now) died 19/9/1897, probate granted 5/10/1897 Pounds 365/12/11, death duty - 3 & 1/2 pence per pound. Ex Elizabeth Quick legatee/ NOK, wife, children. Quick, Thomas 23, labourer ex Cornwall, Martha 22. On the "Cathcart" dep 10/6/1874 arr. Lyttelton 29/8/1874. Quick, Miss. on the "Lady Jocelyn" 2nd cabin/steerage,b dep 1/9/1881 arr. Lyttelton 9/12/1881 Cheers NZJohn1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 4:18:56 GMT -5
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I guess that Elizabeth Trenhail Liddicoat married to Paul Quick at Kea on the 15th January 1818 would be a likely candidate?
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