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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 18, 2009 7:34:56 GMT -5
The marriage of John Quick LAWRY to Rebecca Jane Glasson OSBORNE may now become of interest to more members. Sancreed Marriages 5 Mar 1890 by Licence John Quick Lawry 27 Farmer of Morvah (Father: John Lawry, Farmer) Rebecca Jane Glasson Osborne 27 of Sancreed (Father: John Charles Osborne, Farmer) Witnesses: John Charles Osborne, Wim. Glasson Following is the marriage of Rebecca's parents:- Paul Marriages 2 Jan 1861 by Banns John Charles Ellis Osborne 23 Farmer of Sancreed (Father: Thomas Osborne, Farmer) Jane Glasson 25 of Kerris (Father: William Glasson, Farmer) Witnesses: William Glasson, Hester Glasson We have more ELLIS connections as well as OSBORNE and, particularly, GLASSON. ;D I will try to determine the families involved here and update my database accordingly. Those with an interest in these lines please contact me for further discussion. I will be happy to post the results of this but I have already extended this query far beyond the initial request. And I will request Zenobia to move much of this discussion to a more appropriate section of the Board. CT
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Post by londoner on Feb 18, 2009 11:24:58 GMT -5
I would be interested if anyone can identify just which Jane ELLIS this is
No suitable Jane at St Levan or Sennen so I think your best bet would be the daughter of Thomas and Sarah Ellis, bp St Just 5 Jun 1759 (IGI)
probably married: St. Just in Penwith, 05-Aug 1754 she being Sarah Matthew of Perranuthno (cornwall OPC)
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 18, 2009 12:12:48 GMT -5
Thanks Londoner - I had not even tried to tackle that one as I am having enough trouble with the parents of John Charles Ellis OSBORN. Making some progress though but will have to leave it until tomorrow given the hour and my hunger! ;D
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Post by Isambard on Feb 18, 2009 17:28:54 GMT -5
Do you mean Edmund James SEMMENS ----CT CT, Yes indeed, Edmund James Semmens, who married Jane Quick Lawry in Toronto in 1914. Darn those senior moments! From Ancestors on Board I now have a J. Q. Lawry, b. 1891, sailing from Liverpool to Canada 1914 and an E. J. Semmens, b. unk, sailing from Liverpool to Canada 1910. Now to find the ship passenger lists. Must now start chewing and thinking over the other material you've provided.
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Post by Isambard on Feb 18, 2009 17:56:54 GMT -5
The next piece of the puzzle regarding Jane Quick LAWRY. 1871 Census - Morvah Village of Tregamminion John LAWRY, head, mar, 43, farmer, St Just Jane do., wife, mar, 40, Zennor Thomas do., son, 10, scholar, Morvah John Quick do., son, 8, scholar, Morvah Jane Quick LAWRY, mother, widow, 81, annuitant, St Just Jane P LAWRY, sister, unm., 38, visitor, St Just Eliza J OSBORN, 13, visitor, Paul This shows that Thomas and John Quick LAWRY were brothers with each naming a daughter Jane Quick LAWRY. Zennor 31st January 1860 by Licence John LAWRY of full age, bachelor, farmer of Morvah (father: Thomas LAWRY, farmer) Jane QUICK of full age, spinster of Zennor (father: John QUICK, farmer) Witnesses:- John QUICK, Jane LAWRY Penzance Wesleyan Circuit Baptisms 21 Jul 1827 John c/o Thomas (Miner) & Jane Lawry of Truthwell, St. Just b. 7 Jun 1827 Jane d/o John (farmer) and Mary QUICK bp. 10th October 1830 Zennor I am yet to determine the marriage of Thomas and Jane LAWRY although it may have been the 1816 St Just marriage of Thomas to Jane PENROSE. Will pursue that one soon. The parents of Jane QUICK:- From Morvah BT's John QUICK m. Mary USTICK 23rd December 1811 Jane was the youngest child of this couple. Will now update my database and will post more information as I find it. Might have gotten away from your original query a little but I figure you will want this at some stage anyway. CT From the 1901 census: 1901 Census Enumeration District 1 Civil Parish of Morvah, Eccl. District of Morvah Folio 5 Page 2 5,Tregaminion,1,John Quick Lawry,Head,W,38,,Farmer,Employer,Morvah Cornwall,, ,,,Jane Quick Lawry,Dau,,,10,,,Morvah Cornwall,, ,,,Sydney O Lawry,Son,,8,,,,Morvah Cornwall,, ,,,Wilhelemina Osborne,Visitr,S,,30,,,Sancreed Cornwall,, ,,,Elizabeth Osborne,Visitr,S,,24,,,Sancreed Cornwall,, ,,,Maryanna Hall,Servnt,S,,54,House Maid Domestic,,Sancreed Cornwall,,
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Post by Isambard on Feb 18, 2009 20:53:16 GMT -5
Do you mean Edmund James SEMMENS ----CT CT, Yes indeed, Edmund James Semmens, who married Jane Quick Lawry in Toronto in 1914. Darn those senior moments! From Ancestors on Board I now have a J. Q. Lawry, b. 1891, sailing from Liverpool to Canada 1914 and an E. J. Semmens, b. unk, sailing from Liverpool to Canada 1910. Now to find the ship passenger lists. Must now start chewing and thinking over the other material you've provided. From ships' passenger lists in Canadian archives: S.S. Virginian sailing from Liverpool to Canada 9 July 1914, Miss Jane Quick Lawry, age 23, to be married to E.J. Semmens, destination Calgary. Therefore the Jane Q Semmens of interest is the one born in 1891. S.S. Tunisian sailing fom Liverpool to Canada 28 July 1910, Edmund (Edward?) Semmons (no middle initial), age 23, General labourer, destination Ottawa. This does not match Edmund James Semmens' birth date in 1878 (perhaps a passenger list error?), nor have I found a match in the 1911 Canadian census.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 19, 2009 5:50:12 GMT -5
Things are coming together nicely. I have just done some more checking and had just come to the conclusion that the probable wife for E J Semmens was indeed the daughter of John and Rebecca. I have found Jane Q LAWRY, d/o Tomas and Emma in 1911 and she was the only one still in England. Tried looking at the 1890-1960 Outward Passenger lists on 'findmypast.com' but have not yet located the information you have found. Will follow up on that shortly but will certainly note the information you have provided. Rebecca Jane Glasson LAWRY died Penzance R.D. March Qtr 1901 Vol 5c Page 194. So she must have died very soon before the 1901 Census. In fact - here is the burial information from the Morvah PR:- 20 Feb 1901 Rebecca Jane Glasson Lawry of Tregaminion, aged 38 Also at Morvah:- 5 Dec 1872 Jane Lawry of Triggaminion, aged 42 This will be Jane (nee QUICK) mother of John Quick LAWRY. 30 Jan 1895 John Symons Lawry of Chyprase, aged 15 mon Son of John Quick and Rebecca LAWRY (bp. as John Seymour) 27 Mar 1897 John Lawry of Tregaminion, aged 69 Father of John Quick LAWRY. Well that's a few more pieces to add to this family. Time for me to update your latest information and then maybe look at a couple of other queries. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 19, 2009 6:13:38 GMT -5
Another piece for you - I have just found the birthdate and baptism for Rebecca Jane Glasson OSBORNE:- Penzance Wesleyan Methodist Circuit Baptisms 8 Dec 1862 Rebecca Jane Glasson c/o John Charles Ellis & Jane Osborne of Kerris, Paul, b. 17 Nov 1862 And sister Georgiana:- 31 Jul 1866 Georgiana c/o Charles Ellis & Jane Osborne of Sancreed, b. 27 May 1866 baptised at Kerris Chapel Still need baptisms for eldest sister Nanny and youngest sibling John Glasson OSBORNE. Would also like to know how sister Mary Lawry OSBORNE got her name. I can see no immediate reason but there must be a connection somewhere. CT Hmmm - perhaps part of the answer might be found in the following Census information. (Posted on an earlier message.) 1871 Census - Morvah Village of Tregamminion John LAWRY, head, mar, 43, farmer, St Just Jane do., wife, mar, 40, Zennor Thomas do., son, 10, scholar, Morvah John Quick do., son, 8, scholar, Morvah Jane Quick LAWRY, mother, widow, 81, annuitant, St Just Jane P LAWRY, sister, unm., 38, visitor, St Just Eliza J OSBORN, 13, visitor, PaulFrom Paul PRs 1857:- 22 Nov Eliza Jane c/o Charles (Labourer) & Mary Osborn of Castallack This is the probable marriage of the parents at St Buryan:- 6 Feb 1848 by Banns Charles Osborn full age batchelor Labourer of Tregurno, St. Buryan [mark] (Father: John Osborn, Shoemaker) Mary Hosken full age spinster of Tregurno, St. Buryan [mark] (Father: Edward Hosken, Labourer) Witnesses: Elizabeth Williams, Willm. Thomas But I can see no clue there. Oh well - will leave that part for another day.
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Post by Isambard on Feb 19, 2009 18:47:02 GMT -5
CT, Yes indeed, Edmund James Semmens, who married Jane Quick Lawry in Toronto in 1914. Darn those senior moments! From Ancestors on Board I now have a J. Q. Lawry, b. 1891, sailing from Liverpool to Canada 1914 and an E. J. Semmens, b. unk, sailing from Liverpool to Canada 1910. Now to find the ship passenger lists. Must now start chewing and thinking over the other material you've provided. From ships' passenger lists in Canadian archives: S.S. Virginian sailing from Liverpool to Canada 9 July 1914, Miss Jane Quick Lawry, age 23, to be married to E.J. Semmens, destination Calgary. Therefore the Jane Q Semmens of interest is the one born in 1891. S.S. Tunisian sailing fom Liverpool to Canada 28 July 1910, Edmund (Edward?) Semmons (no middle initial), age 23, General labourer, destination Ottawa. This does not match Edmund James Semmens' birth date in 1878 (perhaps a passenger list error?), nor have I found a match in the 1911 Canadian census. Have now found via Ancestors on Board and Ship Passenger lists in Canadian archives : Liverpool 10 May 1912 to Montreal, S.S. Victorian, an Edmund James Semmens, age 32, Returned Canadian, b. England, left Canada (Toronto) 1908/11 (away 2 1/2 years), destination Toronto. I haven't found his original sailing from England yet. Must see if he's in 1911 census England. Also from Ancestors on Board: Liverpool 18 Oct 1906 to Montreal, S.S. Tunisian, a Kate E Corkill, age 23 (?), Spinster. I haven't found her in the Canadian archives for that sailing, despite wearing out my eyeballs several times.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 19, 2009 21:41:54 GMT -5
I believe this was a 'small acorn' you planted a couple of days ago. Very good progress and I will add that to the rest of the data later today. Will have look and see what other options I might have available to check some of those passenger lists. Ian
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Post by Isambard on Feb 19, 2009 22:27:49 GMT -5
From ships' passenger lists in Canadian archives: S.S. Virginian sailing from Liverpool to Canada 9 July 1914, Miss Jane Quick Lawry, age 23, to be married to E.J. Semmens, destination Calgary. Therefore the Jane Q Semmens of interest is the one born in 1891. S.S. Tunisian sailing fom Liverpool to Canada 28 July 1910, Edmund (Edward?) Semmons (no middle initial), age 23, General labourer, destination Ottawa. This does not match Edmund James Semmens' birth date in 1878 (perhaps a passenger list error?), nor have I found a match in the 1911 Canadian census. Have now found via Ancestors on Board and Ship Passenger lists in Canadian archives : Liverpool 10 May 1912 to Montreal, S.S. Victorian, an Edmund James Semmens, age 32, Returned Canadian, b. England, left Canada (Toronto) 1908/11 (away 2 1/2 years), destination Toronto. I haven't found his original sailing from England yet. Must see if he's in 1911 census England. Also from Ancestors on Board: Liverpool 18 Oct 1906 to Montreal, S.S. Tunisian, a Katie E Corkill, age 23 (?), Spinster. I haven't found her in the Canadian archives for that sailing, despite wearing out my eyeballs several times. From the LDS site: Katie Eleanor Corkill, b. 21 Nov 1882 Isle of Man, Father Lewis Corkill, Mother Margaret Jane Corkill Based on a quick look, no potential Edmund James Semmens is evident on either the Canadian or the England 1911 census.
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Post by Isambard on Feb 20, 2009 11:42:25 GMT -5
Have found my way to some information on Isle of Man records but what a nightmare I am finding it to be to find my way around! However - I have just possibly found something of interest although, unfortunately, it requires subscription. Nevertheless - tried a search for Ida G CORKILL and found 1 result - 1901 Census. (Already posted that one!) Then tried Emily H CORKILL - this time there are two results with one also being the 1901 Census entry. But the second (the one requiring subscription) indicates this name has been found in the 1911 Census of Canada! Name - Emily H CORKILL Home in 1911 - Manitoba, Winnipeg City Birth Year - 1883 That seems a very good match to me and indicates at least part of the family left England between 1901 and 1911. There is a marriage on FreeBMD for Ida G CORKILL 1911 September Qtr Vol 8b Page 269 Ida G CORKILL Emil E M J W ALBOROUGH or Frederick J GELDART Cannot track down the birth records yet but will try a couple of other options before taking a look at the Emigration Records. Not having much luck anywhere at the moment so I think I will leave it with you for a while. Hopefully there is enough here to help you a little. CT The first Emily H Corkill ie in the 1901 census, is probably this one, from LDS: Emily Hurst Corkill Birth: 07 JUL 1882 Mill Mount, Braddan, Isle Of Man, England Father: John Corkill Mother: Sarah Isabella Graham The second Emily H Corkill, in the 1911 Canadian census is probably Emily Heath Corkill, from Ancestry.ca (USA/Canada cross border crossing Winnipeg). Now I need to refocus my efforts, on the Cornish connections! ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 20, 2009 14:44:31 GMT -5
Just watched the latest Indian Jones movie - just for a break. Before re-checking and then updating the CORKILL information I thought I would have another try at finding baptisms for the children of Edmund and Hester SEMMENS - parents of Thomas and grandparents of William Glasson SEMMENS. I have now just found these in IGI:- John SYMMONS bp. 2nd November 1823 at Paul John SEMMENS of Trevithal age 2 months buried 21st December 1823 at Paul Hester Glasson SIMMONS bp. 12th November 1824 at Paul John Glasson SYMONS bp. 7th July 1829 at Paul (according to Census was born about 1827) Mary Jane SYMONS bp. 15th December 1829 at Paul Jenifer SIMONS bp. 21st April 1841 at Paul And the two I already had:- Elizabeth SEMMENS bp. 17th July 1832 at Paul Eliza SEMMENS born 18th January 1835 at Paul and baptised 28th December 1835 Penzance Wesleyan Methodist Circuit All recorded as children of Edmund and Hester. Now I only need to find a baptism for Grace and, of course, Thomas. Thomas may, as with Eliza, have been baptised on the Penzance Wesleyan Methodist Circuit. If so, given he was born about 1837, I think I now know why I cannot find him! The PR Transcripts are separated into two parts - 1805-37 and 1838-76. But the 1805-37 covers only through until JUNE of 1837 and the next one begins at January 1838. Therefore there are SIX months of entries missing! And a check of FreeBMD shows Thomas born in the December Qtr of 1837. Now that is determined I might be able to move on to checking the rest of the information, CT BTW - if you want to find John Vine SEMMENS in the 1901 Census he is recorded as John V LEMMENS, age 25, school master, born Liverpool. He is listed as a 'visitor' with the family of Robert and Elizabeth KING at Leyton, Essex.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 21, 2009 11:07:40 GMT -5
I am not sure how far you ever intend to pursue the CORKILL line but I have done a little more work and thought I would post my results for you. If nothing else it proves some of the things we have found. I have also just found the family in the 1881 Census at Ballaughton, Braddan, IOM but I will post that on request. 1869 Liverpool R.D. December Qtr Vol 8b Page 48 John CORKILL Sarah Isabella GRAHAM As I suspected this is definitely the marriage of the parents of the two CORKILL girls who married Thomas Henry Glasson and William Glasson SEMMENS. From the 1881 Census I know that John CORKILL was born in 'England' around 1837/8 but I will need to check further to find out exactly where. Sarah GRAHAM is a different matter and I have quite a bit more on her. ;D 1861 Census John St, Crosscanonby, Maryport, Cumberland Sarah HURST, head, widow,74, house proprietor, Maryport, Cumberland Sarah I GRAHAM, grandaughter, 14, Maryport, Cumberland Sarah Isabella GRAHAM d/o William and Mary baptised 28th March 1847 Maryport, Cumberland William GRAHAM married Mary HURST 17th August 1834 Whitehaven, Cumberland Mary HURST d/o Joseph and Sarah bp. 14th March 1813 Maryport, Cumberland Joseph HURST m. Sarah ASKEW 13th August 1808 Crosscanonby, Cumberland 1851 Census John St, Maryport, Cmberland Joseph HURST, head, mar, 71, ship owner, Birkby, Cumberland Sarah do., wife, mar, 64, Maryport, Cumberland John RUSSELL, grandson, 9, Maryport, Cumberland Eglesfield St, Maryport Mary GRAHAM, wife, mar, 38, master mariner's wife, Whitehaven, Cumberland Joseph W do., son, 13, Whitehaven, Cumberland Edwin do., son, 11, Maryport, Cumberland ASKEW do., son, 8, Maryport, Cumberland SARAH I do., daur, 5, Maryport, Cumberland John do., son, 1, Maryport, Cumberland So we know where the name HURST came from in the name of Emily CORKILL. Hope I am not boring you? Will update my database and then see if I can find a little more about John CORKILL. CT
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Post by Isambard on Feb 23, 2009 20:54:03 GMT -5
I am not sure how far you ever intend to pursue the CORKILL line but I have done a little more work and thought I would post my results for you. If nothing else it proves some of the things we have found. I have also just found the family in the 1881 Census at Ballaughton, Braddan, IOM but I will post that on request. 1869 Liverpool R.D. December Qtr Vol 8b Page 48 John CORKILL Sarah Isabella GRAHAM As I suspected this is definitely the marriage of the parents of the two CORKILL girls who married Thomas Henry Glasson and William Glasson SEMMENS. From the 1881 Census I know that John CORKILL was born in 'England' around 1837/8 but I will need to check further to find out exactly where. Sarah GRAHAM is a different matter and I have quite a bit more on her. ;D 1861 Census John St, Crosscanonby, Maryport, Cumberland Sarah HURST, head, widow,74, house proprietor, Maryport, Cumberland Sarah I GRAHAM, grandaughter, 14, Maryport, Cumberland Sarah Isabella GRAHAM d/o William and Mary baptised 28th March 1847 Maryport, Cumberland William GRAHAM married Mary HURST 17th August 1834 Whitehaven, Cumberland Mary HURST d/o Joseph and Sarah bp. 14th March 1813 Maryport, Cumberland Joseph HURST m. Sarah ASKEW 13th August 1808 Crosscanonby, Cumberland 1851 Census John St, Maryport, Cmberland Joseph HURST, head, mar, 71, ship owner, Birkby, Cumberland Sarah do., wife, mar, 64, Maryport, Cumberland John RUSSELL, grandson, 9, Maryport, Cumberland Eglesfield St, Maryport Mary GRAHAM, wife, mar, 38, master mariner's wife, Whitehaven, Cumberland Joseph W do., son, 13, Whitehaven, Cumberland Edwin do., son, 11, Maryport, Cumberland ASKEW do., son, 8, Maryport, Cumberland SARAH I do., daur, 5, Maryport, Cumberland John do., son, 1, Maryport, Cumberland So we know where the name HURST came from in the name of Emily CORKILL. Hope I am not boring you? Will update my database and then see if I can find a little more about John CORKILL. CT Thank you CT! I think I have all I need on the Corkills, and now I know more about the Isle of Man having done a bit of research. And thank you for the reams about about the Semmens, which took me a few hours to chew and digest. The possible second marriage of William Glasson Semmens, to M.A. Eldred is still a mystery.
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