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Post by brenda on Oct 1, 2011 12:05:22 GMT -5
Hi CT thank you for your help, i know this Thomas Nankervis who married Jane Champion is my Grt Grt Grandparents, its his parents that is making me wont to scream, i have Thomas Ankerwis who married Jane Williams, at St Just on 1st Nov 1802 his parets were Henry Ankerwis and Magaret Nekerwise it is their son Thomas born 1803 that i find impossible to uncover his birth records, it is he i need to know if he is the line for my Grt Grt Grandfather or the other Thomas born 1802 to James and Ann , excuse me while i just go outside and scream Thank you anyway Regards Brenda
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 1, 2011 14:25:09 GMT -5
Brenda - If you take another look at my previous post you will see the baptisms for the children of Thomas Nekerwise and Jane (Williams).
That list shows all the children I could find at St Just from the time of the marriage until 1812.
You will also notice that they did not have a son Thomas in 1803. Son Thomas was baptised 22nd January 1809 so would be too late to be the one you want.
I did also check and could find no other marriage for a Thomas and Jane that might account for those children. Based on that it would seem at the moment that Thomas and Jane are probably not the family you are looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 12:33:55 GMT -5
Hello
Christiana Barker, nee Nankervis, was the daughter of Thomas Nekerwis (bap 27th Feb 1805 at St Just) and Mary nee Hollow (29th May 1808 at St Just).
To assist in coming to this conclusion a useful person to follow is Loveday Jane Nankervis who was born in 1848 to Thomas Nankervis and Mary nee Hollow.
In 1842 there were two Christiana Nankervis girls born at St Just. The first to Thomas Nankervis and Jane nee Champion, the second to Thomas Nankervis and Mary nee Hollow.
In the 1851 census the first Christiana Nankervis is at home with her mother Jane nee Champion, her father having died in 1850. Also in the 1851 census the second Christiana Nankervis is at home with her parents Thomas Nankervis and Mary nee Hollow as well as her younger sister Loveday Jane Nankervis.
In the 1861 census there is no Christiana living with the widow Jane Nankervis nee Champion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 13:13:23 GMT -5
Continuing on: Also found in the 1861 census is the first Christiana Nankervis who is living and working in Penzance with the Fleming family. Also found, but not so easy to locate, is the second Christiana Nankervis who is at Ludgvan. This family has been recorded as Nakvis and the Ancestry search engine recognises the name as Wakvis - FindMyPast has it as Makvis. The father, Thomas is a widower, and living with him is Christiana Nakvis and her sister L. J. who is Loveday Jane Nakvis. The mother Mary née Hollow had died in 1852 aged 44 years.
Moving onto the 1871 census. The first Christiana is still with the Fleming family at Penzance and in fact goes on later to marry John Carbis with the Flemings as witnesses.
The second Christiana is the only one who could be with Richard Barker. Whether or not Christiana married Richard Barker is a debatable point and can only be proved by further research.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 13:40:12 GMT -5
Finally finding the baptisms of Thomas Nankervis and Mary Hollow at St Just is a relatively easy task: Thomas, baptised 27th Feb 1805 to William Nekervis and Sarah Bennetts who were married 18th Feb 1791 - all at St Just.
Mary, baptised 29th May 1808 to Thomas Hollow and Loveday Nekerwise who were married 10th Oct 1801 - all at St Just.
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Post by brenda on Jan 28, 2016 6:59:10 GMT -5
Hi karlan Thank you for your response to my problem, i am gutted as i have spent ten years researching my family tree, when i first got my Grandfathers birth certificate showing a Christiana Nankervis was his mother and Richard Barker as the Father, i phoned Truo and asked them to do a search for me, they sent me a birth certificate with Thomas Nankervis and Jane Champion on the certificate, so for ten years i have been researching that tree, how do i know for sure this Christiana 2 is the correct one, as on her censures she has put place of birth, Brighton,St Ives, Bude Lelent and St Just in Penwith, i have spent such alot of money on records and it look like it was for nothing, trouble is apart from that one certificate i have no records of who was Christiana's mother, i feel like screaming, thank you again, any information is welcome regards Brenda
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 28, 2016 7:27:35 GMT -5
If, as now seems probable Christiana Nankervis was the daughter of Thomas and Mary then we are dealing with the marriage at St Just 10th January 1829 between Thomas Nankervis and Mary Hallo (var. Hollo, Hollow, Holla). This Mary Hallo was baptised at St Just 29th May 1808 daughter of Thomas Holla and Loveday Nekerwise who married at St Just in 1801. Mary Nankervis nee Hallo was buried at St Just in 1852 and three years later on 1st April 1855 Thomas Nankervis married again to Elizabeth Martins at Towednack. Thomas Nankervis (var.) by my reckoning was baptised at St Just 27th February 1805 son of William Nekerwis and Sarah Bennetts. Now, don't go throwing all of your previous work away as it will almost certainly be useful in helping others. And you may well find that there are connections to that family anyway. In fact most of that work may not be 'wasted' at all as far as your own family is concerned. It could very well be that you only have one or two generations mixed up. CT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 11:06:47 GMT -5
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Remembering of course that by the 1861 census Thomas, living at Ludgvan with his four daughters Elizabeth, Christina, L. J., & Charlotte, is once again a widower. FreeBMD having reference to two deaths for an Elizabeth Nankervis in 1860.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 11:54:05 GMT -5
Hello Brenda
Just as a matter of interest. Does your grandfather's birth certificate show that his parents were married? For example, for the mother does it say "Christiana Barker formerly Nankervis" or does it say "Christiana Nankervis".
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Post by brenda on Jan 28, 2016 13:05:28 GMT -5
Hi Karlan Yes on my Grandfathers birth certificate it said Christiana Barker Ne Nankervis, this couple are a mystery, they might have been running from something, as she was a Cornish girl and he came from Shropshire, on the 1871 censure they are living in Brighton Sussex with two children and states they were born in Brighton, but on 1881 1891 censure Christiana has put Bude where she was born and St Just on another, i checked all from St Ives to Penzance, she wasn't on any, i was told by CT that Christiana father remarried three years after Mary Hollow died, but cant find a marriage certificate for Richard and Christiana, i even tried the West Ham archives in London as that is where they made there home, they have nothing on them being married so i can only think they never married, but why make there home in Filthy London, i guess i will never know that, so now i have started all over again with my Great Great Grandparents being Mary Hollow and Thomas Nakerwise, yet the CRO sent me a birth certificate showing Thomas Nankervis and Jane Champion were Christiana's parents, i even paid for them to do a search for me giving them all the information i had on the censures and my Grandfathers birth details, thank you for all your information, their proberly will be many more questions you may help me with, as you see Richard and Christiana were my Great Grandparents so i am not a young person, alot of it goes over my head regards Brenda
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Post by spikeharwood on Jan 30, 2016 23:24:18 GMT -5
Hi Brenda, Was watching this thread with some interest. Sorry for you that it didnt have a happy ending.
Can you tell me if you ever got around to searching for Jane Champion's parents? Possibles seem to be George and Ann Old and William and Hannah Penbethy but both of their Janes seem may have married someone other than Thomas Nankervis. So before digging too deep thought I should check with you first.
Spike
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Post by brenda on Jan 31, 2016 11:35:36 GMT -5
Hello Spike yes i followed this tree thinking it was mine, have hundreds of documents if anybody ever needed them to that line, Jane Champions parents were William Champion and Jane Lawry, if you need anything else on them just ask Regards brenda
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Post by spikeharwood on Jan 31, 2016 15:49:09 GMT -5
Hi Brenda. You had mentioned William and Jane way back in August 2009. CT suggested there was a problem between the dates of her birth (1810 as per census records), her baptism (1815) and her parents marriage (1814). But I'll have another look at them. Thanks Spike
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Post by spikeharwood on Jan 31, 2016 23:14:52 GMT -5
I think the discovery of the correct parents for Jane NANKERVIS nee CHAMPION might have to involve a process of eliminating the possible candidates until we have the last girl standing. I don't believe that Jane is the daughter of William CHAMPION and Jane LAWRY. I think their daughter married Gabriel HOSKING as per the following info.
(1) Jane LAWRY is bpt 1 Nov 1784 at St Just in Penwith (parents William and Elizabeth). Refer notes (8),(10). (2) Jane LAWRY marries William CHAMPION 20 Feb 1814 at St Just in Penwith.
(3) Jane CHAMPION, the first of six children is bpt 7 June 1815 at St Just in Penwith. Refer notes (6),(7),(8). (4) Father, William is a miner, residence is Church Town. Refer note (6). (5) John CHAMPION is the third child. He is bpt 24 Nov 1819 at St Just. Refer note (9)
(6) There is a marriage between a Jane CHAMPION and Gabriel HOSKING 23 Feb 1839 at St Just in Penwith. He is aged 23, of this parish and a miner. Jane is aged 24(3), of this parish, residence Church Town. Father is William a miner(4). Refer notes (7),(9),(10).
(7) In Census 1841 we have the HOSKING family at St Just, Penwith - Gabriel, tin miner 24(6), Jane 26(3) and Grace 4 months living at Bosorne New Downs Victoria Row. (8) In C51 Gabriel is not with the family. Jane is 37(3) and shown as married. Jane's widowed mother is with them, Jane CHAMPION aged 70(1), formerly miner's wife, born St Just. Address is Bosorne Terrace, St Just. (9) Gabriel is boarding at Callington. He is a miner aged 36, born at St Just(6). At the same address is John CHAMPION(5) also a miner, aged 31, born at St Just. (High probability of him being Jane's brother). (10) C61 and Gabriel, age 45(6), is back with the family at Bosorne Terrace but (newly) widowed. His mother in law, Jane CHAMPION aged 78(1) is still living with them.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 31, 2016 23:40:07 GMT -5
Well done Spike It serves to show that if there is the slightest hint that something does not seem right then it is worth the effort to spend time and effort looking at the problem from all angles until the correct answer is found! The MORAL - IF SOMETHING DOES NOT LOOK OR SEEM RIGHT ...................... THEN THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT IT IS NOT RIGHT!!! CT
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