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Post by brenda on Feb 8, 2009 8:18:38 GMT -5
Hi am new at this can anyone help me with Ann Warren who was a widow when she married James Nankerwise 1796, i can't find what her surname was or was this her married name, also any help on James parents John Nankerwise and Philadelphia, surname sorry i dont know Regards Brenda
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Post by white on Feb 8, 2009 8:48:29 GMT -5
Hi Brenda, No luck yet with the Nankervis pair. The name can change quite a lot to Ankervis, Ankerwise, Nankerwise and probably others. A possible candidate for Ann who married James is Ann James who married Archaelus Warren 5th.nov.1792 at St.Just. Need to find a burial for Archaelus bef. 1796. Not much, but hope it might help, Roy
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Post by tonymitch on Feb 8, 2009 15:10:54 GMT -5
Roy...Just a bit of useless info in case you get 'lost'.....if you are looking for Archaelus Warren, I have a wee bit of info on two (2x) Archelaus Warren WATERS/WATTERS (note spellings), spanning 1790 - 1870. Must belong to the same 'line'.
Brenda.....try NEKERWES I've also seen Neckerweis.
Tony M
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Post by brenda on Feb 8, 2009 16:52:25 GMT -5
Roy and Tony, Thank you for your help i will check out this Archaelus Warren, Ann married James in 1796, I will try Neckerweis, which if you come forward to their son his name changed to Thomas Nankervis, who was my Gr Gr Grandfather,thank you both gain for your help Regards Brenda
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Post by brenda on Feb 10, 2009 10:59:20 GMT -5
Have tried Archaelus warren but nothing has come up only of his marriiage to Ann James, i have tried the Cornish Burials but nothing on there, so my search will have to come to a stop at the moment, Regards Brenda
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Post by donne on Feb 16, 2009 4:34:45 GMT -5
Hi Brenda, Have you tried the Federation of Family History Societies website at www.familyhistoryonline.net/?There are three entries for Archelaus WARREN in the Cornwall Burial Index during 1795. I'm afraid that I don't have sufficient credit on my account to check out the details but one of these could be the first husband of Ann.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 16, 2009 8:17:20 GMT -5
This may or may not be of help. There is only one baptism recorded at St Just in Penwith for a child of Archelaus and Ann WARREN. I also tried a search of St Just using only the Christian names of the parents - Archelaus and Ann. The only baptism for anyone at St Just with the parents being Archelaus and Ann is:- Archelaus WARREN bp. 27th January 1793 They could, of course, have had children elsewhere but .... CT
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Post by brenda on Feb 17, 2009 12:31:43 GMT -5
Thank you for your help i will try The Cornish Buriels again see what i can find out, also The Federation of family History Societies Regards Brenda
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Post by mgowens on May 19, 2009 8:41:29 GMT -5
James NEKERVIS (bn. ? , bur. 7 Oct 1845 St Just in Penwith, aged 75 years, of Bojewyan) Marr. 18 Jun 1796 St Just in Penwith, by banns, he single, both of this parish Ann WARREN nee JAMES (bp. 18 Aug 1776 St Just in Penwith, bur. 5 May 1848 St Just in Penwith, aged 78 years, of Union House, dau of Peter JAMES and Catherine DAVY), widow of Archelaus WARREN (20 years) In the presence of Nichs. RESEIGH and William NEKERWIS.
Ch. Elizabeth bp. 2 Sep 1798 St Just Marr. Richard NEKERVIS 14 Jul 1821 St Just in Penwith John NEKERWIS bp. 5 May 1799 St Just [Mother in IGI is Mary but child is thought to belong here.] James NANKERWISE bp. 2 Jul 1800 St Just Marr. Mary TREMBATH 6 Mar 1824 St Just in Penwith Thomas bp. 5 Jun 1803 St Just, bur. 21 Sep 1814 St Just in Penwith, son of James, aged 11 years, of Carnyorth William bp. 6 Oct 1805 St Just, bur. 16 Dec 1805 St Just in Penwith William bp. 18 Jan 1807 St Just, bur. 9 Sep 1811 St Just in Penwith, son of James Ann bp. 15 Jan 1809 St Just Margaret bp. 16 Oct 1811 St Just Mary bp. 5 Jun 1814 St Just Thomas NANKERWISE bp. 22 Dec 1816 St Just Marr. Honor WILLIAMS 31 Oct 1840 St Just in Penwith Henry bp. 18 Jul 1819 St Just, bur. 24 Jan 1835 St Just in Penwith, aged 15 years, of Bojewyan
The 1841 Census had at Bojewyan, St Just in Penwith, James NEKERVIS 70 miner of tin b. Cornwall Ann " 70 "
Hope I have been of some help. Regards Margaret Owens
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Post by brenda on Aug 4, 2009 7:09:04 GMT -5
Thank you Margaret for all your help now i find out all my research was for nothing, my Thomas nankervis married Jane champion, on the Parish baptisum i was sent it said parents James and Ann now i know this is in correct, as there son married Honor williams, any information would be of help to me on the 1841 censure he was 38 years old he married Jane Champion of Madron on the 28th April 1831, my Gr Grandmother Christiana nankervis was their daughter thank you from Brenda
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Post by londoner on Aug 4, 2009 11:22:55 GMT -5
Sancreed 13-Nov 1803 Thomas NEKERWISE John Mary Could this be your Thomas - the name has lots of spelling variations, the date is right and one of the witnesses at the marriage to Jane Champion was John Nankervis. Need to check if there is any other possible marriage for this Thomas. Looks like he married Ann Pool in 1830 - back to the drawing board
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Post by brenda on Aug 4, 2009 11:43:29 GMT -5
Thank you for your help, my Thomas did marry Jane Champion, they had eight children, few were jane ,john, thomas, isaac ,my Gr grandmother Christiana b 1842, i feel like screaming, he died in 1850 leaving jane a widow any help would be appreciated Kind regards brenda
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 4, 2009 19:54:58 GMT -5
Hello Brenda - nice little problem you have here! I have just been taking a look at the family and have added quite a lot of detail into my database so that I can try and keep track of things a little better. But at the moment I have the same problem as yourself. You say that Thomas died in 1850 - could you please supply all the details of his burial for me? Anything you can tell me about Jane Champion would also be useful. In 1851 her birthplace is stated as St Just yet in 1861 she states she was born at Lelant! If it is of any help I can tell you a little about the eldest daughter Jane. She married James Williams and I can now trace him back through St Levan and there is a link in there to the Berryman family. Happy to keep looking for you but would appreciate those extra details that might help me. CT
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Post by brenda on Aug 5, 2009 1:09:33 GMT -5
Hello Cornish terrier, thank you for any help you can give me, on the baptist record of jane Champion it states St just June 7th 1815 jane daughter of William Champion and jane Lawry of Church Town, in the 1851 censure there is no Thomas, jane is a widow on the death certificate here are two Thomas nankervis , one is forty eight which works out the his age, states accidently drowned that he was a miner 19th november 1850. in 1841 Thomas and jane were living at Lasrowda Place, i know about the Williams family whom their daughter jane married into, , on the 1851 censure jane is down as a widow my Gr Grandmother was nine, thats as much as i can tell you on Thomas , hope you can help me Regards brenda
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 5, 2009 2:31:53 GMT -5
Hmmm - Brenda this seems to be getting even more messy. At face value (based on the available information in front of me) I would now say that you also have a problem with Jane Champion. I have checked the OPC site for the baptism record and, as you have stated, Jane Champion was baptised at St Just 7th June 1815 d/o William and Jane. This is not a 'late' baptism as William Champion and Jane Lawry were married at St Just 20th February 1814. IGI has two entries which state Jane d/o William and Jane was born 1810. No date other than the year which normally means to me that it is guesswork probably based on a marriage 21 years later. And guess what? - Jane married Thomas Nankervis in 1831 which is 21 years later! But here is where the problem is really highlighted - based on documented facts and not on the supposition that the girl always married at 21. In the 1841 Census Jane's age is recorded as 31 which puts her birth at about 1809 or 1810. POINT: this should be particularly noted given that the age of adults in 1841 was usually rounded down to the nearest five years. It is less than usual to find the age recorded as specifically as this which indicates to me that it is probably her actual age. And likewise with Thomas who is recorded as age 38. In 1851 Jane's age is recorded as 40 which puts her birth at 1810 or 1811 and she states her birthplace as St Just. Taking into account both of these Census records - I would say that Jane was born in 1810. In 1861 Jane is 51 (again putting her birth at 1809 or 1810) BUT this time she states her birthplace as LELANT. In 1871 Jane is 60 (born 1810 or 1811) - she is still at Lafrowda and has daughter Elizabeth and her husband John Penaluna with her. And again Jane states her birthplace as LELANT. By 1881 Jane has disappeared and I would suggest it was she who died in 1873 at the age of 63. So - there is enough consistency here for me to say that I do not believe Jane was the daughter of William Champion and Jane Lawry. And we have two Census records where her birthplace is stated as Lelant! The only match at Lelant about the right time is Jane Stevens Champion d/o William and Hannah who was baptised at Lelant in 1811. I don't think that is her. Looks like i've created another fine mess! The one possible positive I have at the moment is from the 1841 Census. Living next to Thomas and Jane Nankervis at Lafrowda is a John Nankervis with his wife (also Jane) and children. It is not unreasonable to suspect John and Thomas were brothers but I just cannot find a link at the moment. This is most awkward but there must be an answer somewhere. I will continue to think on the problem but really have to have a rest from it for a while now. CT
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