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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 6:04:25 GMT -5
I believe they were William Quick and Catherine Osborne who were married on the 2nd January 1800 at Zennor.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 19, 2014 4:13:04 GMT -5
I am back! - And after reading the posts I see that this question is the result of a slight error in Lannanta's post. What he meant to say was that William was the son of 'John Quick and Mary Dunstan'. There is a rather long thread dedicated to this John Quick and his two families in which you will find most of the information about John and his relationship with Ann Glasson whom he later married soon after the death of Mary. AHA! I spot another error! John Quick actually married Mary Baragwanath at Towednack 12th October 1824. What does not show in the CFHS Marriage Transcript is that Mary Baragwanath was a widow. Mary Dunstan married John Baragwanath at Towednack 20th July 1816 and had two sons before John died in 1821. She then married John Quick who was 17 years her junior. There were three sons to John Quick with William born around 1829 being the youngest. At some point in the next 20 years it seems that John and Mary separated and during this time John had a liaison with Ann Glasson which produced another seven children between 1849 and 1865. Mary (first wife) died in 1873 and was buried at Towednack on 28th May 1873 at the age of 85 and then John married Ann Glasson just a month later on 30th June 1873. John Quick was baptised at Towednack 4th August 1805 son of William Quick and Catherine (nee Osborn) who married at Zennor 2nd January 1800. William in turn was the son of William Quick and Elizabeth Baragwanath. Hope that help sorts the confusion and answers your question. CT
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Post by sallyt on Mar 20, 2014 0:13:43 GMT -5
OK,
which John Quick married Mary Ann Osborne 4.2.1837 in Zennor??? - I have her as the aforementioned John. Their children being John, Matthew Osborne, Robert and Christopher Osborne .
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 20, 2014 1:33:25 GMT -5
Sally - this was another tricky one but I eventually worked it out. Part of the problem was that we only had the CFHS Marriage Indexes for Zennor and Towednack and only Birth Indexes for Towednack. John Quick baptised 28th April 1805 Towednack son of John Quick and Elizabeth Osborn was married twice. He first married Hannah Ninnes at Towednack 12th April 1834 (Hannah bp. 4th May 1806 Towednack daughter of Joseph Ninnes and Hannah Curnow). There were no children from this marriage and Hannah died soon after the marriage and was buried at Towednack 28th May 1834 age 29. There was no mention of his marital status when he remarried but:- John Quick of Towednack married Mary Ann Osborne by Banns 4th February 1837 at Zennor (Witnesses - Robt. Osborn and James Quick) Now, I will concede that there may still be a problem with the two John Quicks baptised at Towednack in 1805. As part of my review I will certainly need to recheck all the information that led me to the conclusions of which one married Hannah Ninnes and which married Mary Dunstan but I would say that the names of the children probably had something to do with it. One of the children of Ann Glasson with John Quick was named Catherine which at the time was not a Glasson name. That then suggests that it was for John Quick's mother and thus he would have been the son of William and Catherine. But now that I look at the signiatures of the James Quick who married Mary Ellis at Sancreed in 1848 and that of the James Quick who witnessed the marriage of John Quick and Mary Ann Osborn I see that there are some similarites. And that makes me reconsider some of my conclusions. (James Quick was the son of William and Catherine and if it were he as the witness then it would make sense that he was a brother to John) Much more thinking for me to do!!! CT
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Post by sallyt on Mar 20, 2014 4:11:07 GMT -5
They always were a problem. I remember when we first started them! I am at a disadvantage at the moment as I am in the middle of a 2 year relocation of home, and have most of my hardcopy genealogy info in storage somewhere???!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 20, 2014 14:11:28 GMT -5
That's okay Sal - I am sure we will get it all sorted out properly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 3:31:37 GMT -5
Good morning
Regarding the William Quick of Buzza mentioned above. The GRO registration services search show that a son William was born to this couple in the Dec Qtr 1857 with the mothers maiden name being Rosewall. However on the OPC site there are two BT's for this couple.. a son William and a daughter Mary baptised on the 27th December 1857 - children of William and Mary Ann of Bussow. The daughter Mary does not seem to appear in the GRO birth records or FreeBMD as William does.
Also this couple seem to have disappeared prior to 1861 census here in the UK unless they have been transcribed incorrectly.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 1, 2017 6:17:53 GMT -5
This family cannot be found in the 1861 Census because they had emigrated to Australia in 1859. An unnamed daughter was born aboard the ship 'Lightning' 17th January 1859 and died at sea 20th February 1859. Victorian indexes show four children born after their arrival - John (1860-1860), John (1861-1861), Elizabeth (1863-1942) and Catherine (1869-) all born at Bendigo. The first information about daughter Mary came from the passenger lists which indicated she was born about 1857. She married George Wake in 1882 and died at Carlton (suburb of Melbourne) in 1940 at which time her age was recorded as 80. The baptisms of Mary and William were found in the Bishops Transcripts which clearly show Mary and William in two separate (but consecutive) entries. They are entries 767 (Mary) and 768 (William) with the information as I have transcribed it for the OPC site. I had also thought it curious that Mary's birth could not be found in FreeBMD (or now the GRO Index) BUT ................ I have just solved the mystery!! Working on the theory that limited evidence suggested the possibility she may have been illegitimate I have just now found her birth in the GRO Index! She was registered as MARY QUICK ROSEWALL (mother's name not recorded) in the September Qtr of 1856. Her parents were married at Towednack 15th October 1856. CT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 16:12:45 GMT -5
Thank you CT, you have filled in the gaps very nicely. Very much appreciated. Karlan
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Post by poyle on Aug 13, 2018 7:07:05 GMT -5
Is there any evidence apart from matching birth/baptism dates and process of elimination, to confirm William Quick bp. 24th May 1789 Towednack s/o William and Elizabeth (nee HOLLOW).
From marriage through to 1846, from inn keeper to bailiff, there is evidence to corroborate his life. I have found not evidence to confirm what happened after that. It seems strange that as a bailiff he was not involved in getting his son William out of jail between 1848 and 1851.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 13, 2018 13:28:01 GMT -5
I think you might have a slight misunderstanding of William Quick's occupation! In fact he had at least two recorded occupations being 1. Innkeeper and 2. Bailiff. But the term 'bailiff' in that part of the world, as in the case of William Quick, generally referred to a 'farm bailiff'.
Definition - An overseer appointed by the possessor or proprietor of a farm to direct and superintend the farming operations.
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Post by poyle on Aug 13, 2018 15:14:10 GMT -5
I understand bailiffs played different roles. Son-in-law John Medlin served for a while as bailiff for the Stannous Courts. However, by 1851 he was more likely a farm bailiff on Kenegie Manor. (Listed in the 1851 Census.) Since William Quick is living in Penzance in 1841, it might not have been easy for him to serve as a farm bailiff. John Medlin had to move away from home we he got the job at Kenegie. Whatever his bailiff role, I am still wonder if he is alive in 1848.
Although, this might go in a separate thread, John Medlin lists his place of birth as Budock. I am having a hard time finding Medlin's born in Budock. Any suggestions?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 13, 2018 16:04:16 GMT -5
Quite right - it doesn't really matter what his bailiff role was as it would not have been of any use if his son were in jail or not in 1848 - William Quick was buried at Towednack 21st November 1841!
AS for John Medlin - I think he may have been bending the truth a little with both his age and his parentage when he married Elizabeth Quick in 1840. At that time he said he was age 25 and that his father was John Medlin, labourer. And even when he was buried on 2nd January 1859 his age is recorded as 44 which, as with his age at marriage, indicates he was born about 1815. But after rechecking potential candidates from the baptism records I rather think he is the following:-
Budock Parish Register P22/1/3 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials, 1738-1812 8th November 1812 Budock - John base son of Ann Medlyn, reputed father Nicholas Perry
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Post by poyle on Aug 13, 2018 17:38:18 GMT -5
Interesting suggestion on John Medlin. If he came from an irregular home, perhaps raised by relatives, he might not have known his true age. He was at least consistently wrong if that is correct.
On William Quick, he is listed as father/bailiff on his daughter Margaret's marriage in 1843 and son John O.P.'s marriage in 1846. That is why I assume he lived to at least 1846. When a listed relative is deceased, there is sometime as note.
For William's (son's) court case, I am trying to determine the relationship to the Quick's William assaulted. I know where Peter Quick and William Quick lived, but not how they are related.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 13, 2018 19:11:00 GMT -5
I haven't seen any details about why William Quick was in strife but identifying Peter and William Quick should not prove too much of a problem as the name Peter was quite scarce in the family. Again, no details about the case known to me but knowing who Peter Quick was suggests that it was he and his brother William who were assaulted.
The only Peter Quick at the time was Peter Baragwanath Quick of Trevalgen. He was baptised at St Ives in 1782 to Richard Quick and Jane (nee Baragwanath) and he was buried at Towednack 17th November 1852. Neither Peter nor his brother William ever married. There was one other brother, Richard, who married Blanch Curnow in 1827 and a sister Jane who married twice. William and Richard both died in 1855.
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