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Post by newlyn on Sept 27, 2008 15:18:52 GMT -5
Thankyou, I have found Carnstabba. It has a cave so perhaps some of the ancestors are still holed up inside! Sorry its the wrong Paul, not much help then.
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Post by newlyn on Sept 27, 2008 16:06:35 GMT -5
Quicke Marriages at Zennor
William Quicke married Elizabeth Stevens 13.4.1681
James Quicke married Jane Knight alias Roberte 13.10.1649
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 16:13:33 GMT -5
CT This was an interesting conclusion as I naturally assumed that you were moving towards the witrness Andrew as being Paul's brother if Paul is who you think he is. In fact there were three burials about that time for Pauls. 29/4/1778, 21/4/1779 and 31/10/1779. I would support your theory that Paul is most likely one of the three above and Elizabeth is now a widow - and as you say it would be nice to know who that witness(es) was/were. Unfortunately I cannot come to the same conclusion as you without feeling uncomfortable about the real lack of a Richard. If Paul is the son of James and Mary then I think Andrew is easily explained away as a sibling of Paul. If he isn't, say he is the son of Paul and Christian, then Andrew is more likely to come from Elizabeth's side - say her father. At this stage I think that Paul could easily be either one of the two I mentioned above - and given that there are three burials in that era Paul may qualify for a third family as well. As for Elizabeth, you could well be right, but I would lean towards her being the daughter of Richard and Ann Matthews, just to satisfy my craving for a Richard. Well, they were my thoughts anyway ;D Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 29, 2008 6:50:27 GMT -5
Tjanks for your input Newlyn - please keep it up as every bit helps. And feel free to offer your opinions here you just may come up with something we haven't thought of! Lannanta - I have not had a good look at those three burials yet but given I only have 5 unburied candidates who could take up any of these 'prone positions' it will be interesting to find out just who was left standing. ;D The Paul who is the subject of this discussion is certainly one of them which leaves 4 to 'fill' two positions. BTW - were all three burials you mentioned at St Ives One final word for now - I have another concern with the daughter of Richard and Ann being the bride of Paul Quick. At only 'just' 16 I would have thought it a case of 'parental consent' but I have not seen that recordd in any reference I have seen to this marriage. There is another way to help solve this - find the BURIAL FOR ELIZABETH NOALL which would hopefully give her age. I will think on it some more.
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Post by gandolf on Sept 29, 2008 7:14:41 GMT -5
Having co-incidently just been trying to sort out this corner of the Quick family, let me add my own two cents worth (tuppence?)... While I haven't been looking at the family of Andrew Quick and Honor Thomas in detail, I have touched on it because of another connection. The Paul Quick under discussion in this thread (christened 31st December 1744, St. Ives, son of James Quick and Mary Curnow) had a brother Israel, christened 21st April 1747, St. Ives. I believe that Israel married 22nd January 1781 at Towednack to Catherine Quick. Catherine was of Towednack parish, but Israel is recorded as a joiner from St. Ives. This fits with him being Isreal bap. 1747 I can find the following children for Israel and Catherine: ISRAEL QUICK Christening: 09 MAY 1787 Towednack, Cornwall, England ISRAEL QUICK Christening: 02 JAN 1788 Saint Ives, Cornwall, England WILMOT QUICK Christening: 23 OCT 1789 Saint Ives, Cornwall, England PAUL QUICK Christening: 16 SEP 1792 Saint Ives, Cornwall, England JOHN QUICK Christening: 20 OCT 1793 Saint Ives, Cornwall, England JANE MICHELL QUICK Christening: 26 APR 1795 Saint Ives, Cornwall, England JANE MICHELL QUICK Female Death: 12 OCT 1797 ISRAEL QUICK Christening: 09 AUG 1797 Saint Ives, Cornwall, England PAUL QUICK Christening: 26 JUN 1803 Saint Ives, Cornwall, England JAMES QUICK Christening: 24 MAR 1805 Saint Ives, Cornwall, England Note: there seems to be a six year gap between the marriage and the first recorded child. Given the fact that a number of children clearly died young (first two Israel's, first Paul, Jane) there may also have been some stillborns in the gap? Given that Israel and Catherine were having children through to 1805, Catherine could not have been born before about 1760. I can only find one Catherine Quick born between 1740 and 1780. This is Catherine bap. 12 Jul 1767 at St. Ives, daughter of Andrew Quick and Mary Major. Andrew Quick was the son of Andrew Quick and Honor Thomas, thus making Catherine a granddaughter. Although rather young at around 14-15 at marriage, and about 20 years younger than her husband Israel, I cannot see any other way for this to work, given the apparent lack of other candidates. It would also mean that Paul Quick's brother Israel marries the niece of Paul's wife Elizabeth. Given the Quick family penchant for keeping their relatives close, this seems to fit the pattern!
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Post by gandolf on Sept 29, 2008 7:17:46 GMT -5
I believe that Israel married 22nd January 1781 at Towednack to Jane Quick. Jane would have been of Towednack parish, but Israel is recorded as a joiner, of St. Ives. Just to add some further support, I just double checked the marriage in Phillimores - the marriage was by licence which would probably indicate that Catherine was under 18 I believe.
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Post by gandolf on Sept 29, 2008 7:38:00 GMT -5
Another question CT.
Given you have the advantage over me by having access to the PRs where as I am limited to only the IGI, I can see based on the witnesses why you like this marriage.
However there is another, earlier, possible marriage for this Ann Quick: Ann Quick married (by licence) on 2nd November 1758 at St. Ives to William Hocking, a tinner also of St. Ives. Children: Ann Hocking, Christening: 27 MAY 1759 Saint Ives Elizabeth Hockin, Christening: 05 JUL 1761 Saint Ives
Given your access to the PRs, do the witnesses give an indication as to why you discounted this marriage as a possibillity?
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Post by newlyn on Sept 29, 2008 10:51:23 GMT -5
Re: Thomas Noall and Elizabeth Quick.
First marriages of Elizabeth could be: Paul Quick m. Elizabeth Quick 27.1.1772 in St Ives
Thomas Quick m. Elizabeth Major 17.6.1769 in St Ives
A Thomas Noall of Lelant married Ann Edwards 20.2.1764. Maybe Thomas was married once before as well!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2008 13:43:32 GMT -5
CT
These are the burials I have for Paul. Unfortunately there is not any supporting information to suggest which was which.
Numbers 2 - 4 are the ones in question.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 30, 2008 22:38:14 GMT -5
By Crikey team you have given me some work to do here. I had best start with Gandolf (and give you some more work also ) You have, perhaps unwittingly, brought three separate Israel Quicks into this conversation. 1. Israel QUICK m. Mary STEVENS 5th January 1775 Towednack 2. Israel QUICK m. Catherine QUICK 16th April 1781 Towednack 3. Israel QUICK m. Catherine REPPER 3rd December 1792 Madron Of these only the first was born at St Ives with the other two born at Towednack. Mary STEVENS was of St Ives when married. Israel (#2) was 'joiner', of St Ives. Israel (#3) was of St Ives and Catherine REPPER of Penzance. 1. Israel married Mary STEVENS This bloke was the son of James and Mary (nee CURNOW) and baptised at St Ives 21st April 1747. He was buried at St Ives 11th April 1821 age 74 and may have been the man who married Bridget Moorshead in 1816. They had six children that I am aware of from 1777 to 1794 - Mary, Ann, James, Jane and Wilmot. 2. Israel married Catherine QUICK 16th April 1781 This is our 'joiner of St Ives' and he was baptised at Towednack 27th April 1755 son of Paul QUICK and Grace (nee BERRYMAN). His father Paul left a Will in 1812:- I Give and Bequeath unto my Son Israel Quick of the Borough of St Ives (Joyner) One Guinea to be paid........ His wife Catherine QUICK was baptised at Towednack 31st December 1752 daughter of James QUICK and Catherine (nee TREWHELA). I have four children for them - Israel 1787, Israel 1788-1825, Wilmot 1789 and Paul 1792. 3. Israel married Catherine REPPER 3rd December 1792 Madron Israel was baptised 4th January 1767 at Towednack son of John QUICK and Jane (nee MICHELL) and was buried at Towednack 5th April 1825 age 59. Their children - John 1793, JANE MICHELL 1795-1797, Israel 1797, Paul 1803 and James 1805. Son Paul was a barber and married Mary Ann NINNES sometime before 1832. (Another marriage I need to find) Very confusing with, firstly, all these Israel Quicks lurking about the place but even more so when two of them marry someone named Catherine and have kids fairly close together. BTW - I am unable to explain the six-year gap between marriage and first child either. In this case the Licence would have been because one party was from another Parish. "PARISH REGISTERS" a McLaughlin Guide (FFHS) If people wanted to marry in a hurry, or without local publicity, or outside their own parishes, they obtained a licence. A 'common licence' named two parishes where the marriage could take place, one of which should have been the home parish .... I will deal with the remaining posts in my next. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 30, 2008 23:00:28 GMT -5
With regards my 'access to PRs' I should explain that I do not actually have access to these. Information I have been supplying regarding witnesses comes from data I received some years ago from a couple of people who had checked the PRs for many of the Quicks and some Curnow names. It is from them that I have the names of witnesses for many of these marriages so I have to say that my 'reservoir' is not exactly limitless. I had no trouble discounting this particular Ann from the equation. She was baptised 27th December 1731 at St Ives daughter of Francis QUICK and Ann (nee MICHELL). The marriage was witnessed by Francis QUICK. Newlyn - That is the marriage to which we refer. With the marriage you quote for Thomas Quick and Elizabeth Major - it 'could' be another possibility. However, I have found no burial for a Thomas Quick that could account for his wife being the widowed Elizabeth in question and, in fact, I know nothing more about Thomas and his wife at all at this stage except that he was a cordwainer and was most likely baptised at St Ives in 1739 son of Thomas and Jane Quick. This last Thomas was also a cordwainer which is largely why I have made the association. Thomas Noall - yes he could have been previously married even though it is not recorded as such in Phillimore. But in reality that would have no significant bearing in this case. What we do know is that Elizabeth must have been widowed young given she had quite a number of children with Thomas Noall. Definitely some food for thought there Newlyn and thanks for your input.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 30, 2008 23:36:50 GMT -5
Quoting quotes here Lannanta. 6. Recorded in Hoblyn as 'son of John Quick from St Ives' so I believe he was the son of John QUICK and Jane (nee MICHELL). 1. Is almost certainly the son of Henry and Jane QUICK and baptised at Towednack 23rd November 1715. The family mostly ended up at Ludgvan and his brother John left a Will in 1777 in which he named brothers James, William Edward and Richard and also what I believe were the husbands of his sisters Elizabeth and Jane. Siblings Henry, Thomas, Mary and Paul were not mentioned although Gabriel son of Henry was included. That leaves us four at St Ives and all before 1780 which is exactly the number of Paul Quicks I have born before then for whom I have no burial details. They are:- A. bp. 5th March 1723 s/o Paul and Christian (St Ives) B. bp. 31st December 1744 s/o James and Mary (St Ives) C. bp. 7th March 1762 s/o James and Mary (Towednack) D. bp. 12th June 1774 s/o Paul and Elizabeth (St Ives) Only A. or C. could be the one buried in 1772. C. 'might' be the one but ..... This is another part of the Quick family that I am not 'absolutely' sure of but have been unable to see any other solution. By my reckoning his father was the son of Paul and Wilmot (nee CURNOW) and his mother the daughter of James and Mary (nee CURNOW). I know of only two children to this family and that is Paul and brother James (1760). My belief is that it was Paul's father, James, who was the widower that married Martha STEVENS at Zennor in August 1771. And they had one child, Martha, baptised at St Ives 1st November 1772. So, was the family in St Ives prior to this and, if so, how long before did they arrive? I should think that even if they went to St Ives soon after the marriage Paul would have been buried back at Towednack if it were he who died in 1772. If that were the case then A. would have to be the man buried in 1772 which would mean that Paul of 1744 must have been the husband of Elizabeth. But there is one more thing we must think about - are we absolutely sure there are no more Paul Quicks hiding in the woodwork back then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2008 2:00:17 GMT -5
Hey CT
Paul Quick married Mary Ann NINNIS on the 5th December 1830 at St Ives.
Check your email, there is a surprise for you.
Lannanta
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2008 2:44:04 GMT -5
CT
I don't know to be frank. So I guess we just carry on eliminating those we do know of. I would sure like to see the burial register for the ones we do not know about yet. A job for the future.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 1, 2008 6:21:51 GMT -5
Realistically I think it highly likely that we do have them all given the amount of people who seem to have searched the PRs and passed on their information and including IGI. It is possible that there was one or perhaps even a couple for whom no baptism has been found because it wasn't recorded, entry is faded or damaged beyond reading and repair or it fell into a period for which entire pages or more of a register are lost. But I know of two Paul Quicks in this category and they are known because of Wills. And the situation seems similar with burials - with these last you have provided (with further information required for proper matching) we are able to account for every Paul Quick born prior to 1800. Of course the name Paul was used in Quick families much farther removed from those we are dealing with - St Agnes area is one. Without totally discounting the possibility that another may have existed I think we can be reasonably happy with the situation.
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