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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 1, 2008 17:22:12 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone has any information on Michael Curnow of Lelant. Michael was married on 8 October 1827 at Lelant to Elizabeth Simons (Phillimore). On West Penwith Resources the marriage transcription appears as: 8 October 1827 by banns Michael Curnow widower of this parish Elizabeth Simons of this parish Witnesses: Francis Adams, Thomas Richards I can find 4 children to Michael and Elizabeth from 1827 to 1834, these being: Mary, William Symon, John and Michael. Elizabeth Curnow (nee Simons) remarried on 21 September 1836 to Hannibal Trevorrow (IGI) and had two children, Ann (1837) and Hannibal (1839). I can trace Elizabeth with her children in the census returns from 1841 at which time she was again a Widow. According to the census returns Elizabeth was born in Breage circa 1806. It is Michael Curnow that I am having difficulty with. I cannot find a death for him or a record of whom his first wife was and, as he died before the census returns I have no approximate birth year to go on. Any help gratefully appreciated
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 2, 2008 11:35:19 GMT -5
OK, scrap that. Have found Michael Curnow's death. He was buried on 24 November 1834, in Lelant, aged 38 years old. That puts his birth at circa 1796. The only Michael Curnow I can find born around that date was baptised to William Curnow and Margaret on 13 February 1796 at Towednack. Michael's first wife may have been Mary Pearce, but will have to investigate that later.
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Post by azenor on Jun 7, 2008 15:44:31 GMT -5
Hello there, Perhaps I can help ...... The Michael CURNOW that is the son of William CURNOW and Margaret PEARCE was married three times. First marriage to Mary PEARCE in 1823, Ludgvan Second marriage to Elizabeth SIMONS in 1827, Lelant Third marriage to Elizabeth MADDERN in 1832, Madron I hope that helps.
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 7, 2008 17:33:37 GMT -5
Hi there So, does that mean that I have the wrong Michael Curnow, or the wrong wife? Or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely I have William Symon Curnow (b.1827) who married Christian Hosking in 1854 in Lelant. William Symon Curnow's parents I have as Michael Curnow and Elizabeth Simons who married 8 October 1827. Siblings of William I have as Mary 1826, John 1831, and Michael 1834. I have traced my Elizabeth through the census returns, and her last child with Michael Curnow was baptised in 1834; by 1841 she was a widow, and I have my Michael Curnow's burial as November 1834. With Elizabeth through the census returns are all 4 children; if they were not her children but a previous wife's children would they not be classed as step-children or son or daughters in law? Help!!!
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Post by azenor on Jun 8, 2008 15:42:52 GMT -5
No, you have the correct Michael CURNOW. Michael CURNOW baptised 1834 in Lelant married Elizabeth Simons in Lelant in 1827. I have children of Michael and Elizabeth Simons as : William Symons CURNOW b.c1828 John CURNOW b.c1830
Michael CURNOW married Elizabeth MADDERN in 1832 in Madron. They had a child named Michael who was born in 1833 in Lelant. This Elizabeth then married Hanibal TREVORROW in 1836 after Michael CURNOW died. You are correct, Michael died in 1834 and was buried at Lelant.
I believe that given the dates of the marriages that Mary must be the child of Mary Pearce (same name too). I agree that Mary should have been classed as a step child but often those census returns were incorrect.
I think you have the correct Michael its just a case of matching the children to the right Elizabeth I think.
Does that help or have I added more confusion?
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 12, 2008 4:14:14 GMT -5
Thank you, that does make things a bit clearer I can understand Mary Curnow not being notated as step-daughter in 1841, but I was just wondering why John and Michael Symons Curnow (sons of Elizabeth Simon) were classed as sons of Elizabeth Maddern in every census? Have you any idea when Elizabeth Simons died/was buried? Many thanks for all your help
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Post by azenor on Jun 16, 2008 14:18:56 GMT -5
Hello there - sorry for the slow response.
Michael Symons Curnow? I've not seen Michael in a census transcript as Michael Symons. Which one have you seen where Michael is called Michael Symons? Thats interesting. The first Michael who died in 1825 was the son of Mary Pearce and would not have appeared in a census whereas the second Michael I believe was the son of Elizabeth Maddern. or do you mean William Symons?
No - I don't have a record of when or where Elizabeth Simons was buried. I only have a note that she must have died between 1830 when and 1832 when Michael married Elizabeth Maddern. I guess we need to find that evidence to make sense of this. I've also not found the birth/baptism of Elizabeth Simons - have you?
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 16, 2008 16:08:50 GMT -5
No problem . Sorry, my mistake, that should have been William Symon Curnow. Now, as for the Elizabeth Curnow I was tracing in the census returns, she apparently was born c.1806 in Breage. I haven't managed to find out any more, but this Elizabeth was definitely married to Michael Curnow and Hannibal Trevorrow and had children with him. Do you know where Elizabeth Maddern was born, and approximately what year? At least it's something to go on. Still no luck at my end with a burial for Elizabeth Simons I'm afraid.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 16, 2008 17:12:57 GMT -5
This would have to be the marriage at Lelant but, unfortunately, it is of little help. Found this in the 1881 Census that might prove useful. Dwelling: Higher Carbis Census Place: Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England Source: FHL Film 1341562 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2340 Folio 74 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Elizebeth TREVORROW W 71 F Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England Rel: Head Occ: Grocer Frances TREVORROW U 33 F Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England The only death for a Hanibal Trevorrow in FreeBMD :- TREVORROW Hanibal Dec 1840 Penzance 9 153 But if the above in the Census is the Elizabeth we are looking for then this bloke cannot be the one given that Frances was born about 1847. That lot may be of no use as I cannot find an Elizabeth Maddern bp. at Lelant at any time. But she may also have been a widow I suppose when she married Michael Curnow. Just found the widowed Elizabeth Trevorrow in the 1851 Census at Lelant with her mixed tribe of Curnow and Trevorrow children and she states her birthplace as Breage. She is aged 45 so born around 1805/6 yet she does not appear at Breage as a Maddern and the closest of that name found in IGI is 1804 at Gwinear. I suspect my comment above might be right - that she married Michael Curnow as a widow. Will try and look at this some more after work tonight. Ian
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 17, 2008 4:03:05 GMT -5
You are right, the marriage is of no help at all As for the Elizabeth Trevorrow you found in the 1881 Census living at Carbis with Frances her daughter, I fear this is the wrong Elizabeth. In the 1851 I found living at Carbus: Elizabeth Trevorrow, Head, Widow, age 42, GROCER, b. Lelant Mary Trevorrow, Dau, S, 16, b. Lelant John Trevorrow, Son, 15, Blacksmith, b. Lelant Lavinia Trevorrow, Dau, 13, b. Lelant William Trevorrow, Son, 9, Scholar, b. Lelant Catharine Trevorrow, Dau, 7, b. Lelant FRANCES, Dau, 5, b. Lelant This would fit in with the Elizabeth and Frances found in the 1881. Ages match and Elizabeth's occupation. Here is the other Elizabeth Trevorrow in the 1851 census (who married Hannibal): Elizabeth Trevorrow, Head, Widow, 45, b. Breage William Curnow, Son, 22, Miner, b. Lelant John Curnow, Son, 20, Miner, b. Lelant Michael Curnow, Son, 17, Miner, b. Lelant Ann Trevorrow, Dau, 14, b. Lelant Hannibal Trevorrow, Son, 12, Miner, b. Lelant Hannibal Snr is not with the family in 1841 either, so I was pretty sure that the Hannibal who was buried in 1840 was the same that married Elizabeth. I cannot find Elizabeth in the 1881 as yet, but there is a death of an Elizabeth Curnow in the 2nd quarter of June 1893, Penzance RD, age 87, which may be her. I cannot find any Madderns baptised at Breage either, although the name Simons seems to be there. I found the following baptisms at Breage around the right timescale: Elizabeth SYMONS, dau of Samuel & Jane, bapt. 9 Sep 1804 Elizabeth SYMONS, dau of William & Elizabeth, bapt 25 May 1806 Elizabeth SYMONS, dau of Thomas & Elizabeth, bapt. 25 Oct 1807
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Post by azenor on Jun 17, 2008 7:06:45 GMT -5
Just a quick note on the birthplace of Elizabeth MADDERN, if she was not a widow when she married Michael Curnow at Madron then I think she may have been born in Paul c.1806. This would mean the census return of 1851 is wrong of course with the birthplace as Breage.
The Elizabeth SYMONS baptisms at Breage are interesting - are you thinking Elizabeth TREVORROW was ELizabeth SYMONS rather than Elizabeth MADDERN after all? If that was so, then Breage in the census works but who was Michael CURNOW who married Elizabeth MADDERN at Madron, I think its the same man but I only have the one piece of evidence which is the marriage in the IGI.
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 17, 2008 7:58:00 GMT -5
Am just considering all possibilities. There is another Michael Curnow married at Madron: Michael Curnow, of St Ives, & Elizabeth Hosking, by lic. 13 February 1812 I can only find 2 children baptised in Madron to these two, in 1815 and 1817. Possibly this Michael Curnow married again in Madron in 1832? Or was he the son of the above couple? Am just trying to tie up all the loose ends.. and I'm afraid the more I look at this the more loose ends I'm getting Mm, this might be interesting. I have found a Michael Curnow in the 1881 Census, age 72, born Penzance, Naval Pensioner. With him is wife Elizabeth, age 63, born Zennor, and John Curnow, Son, age 29 born in Devon, Shipwright out of work. What is the Michael Curnow fascination with marrying Elizabeths?! It's not at all helpful I have a list of baptisms and burials of Michael Curnows here somewhere. Will have another look at those to see if they shed any light. I will also have a look at the St Ives baptisms to see if that particular Michael and Elizabeth moved back to St Ives after the first two children.
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Post by londoner on Jun 17, 2008 8:27:20 GMT -5
The latest Michael Curnow - Naval pensioner had wife Elizabeth B c1816 Zennor according to 1871 & 1851 census. their first 4 children were b in Ireland: William 1833, Elizabeth 1835, Catherine 1838, Jane 1839/40 then in Devon (Blackauton): Michael 1840, Margaret 1847, John (?) Catherine 1856 and James M 1858
Michael died 1891 at St Germans he is listed as Coastguard in earlier censuses 1841@ Blackauton, 1851 @brixham & 1871 @ Antony. I suspect he was the son of Hanibal bp Madron 13 June 1806. The birthdates of the children might lead one to suspect that the 1832 marriage to Elizabeth Maddern was his. Have you looked for Eliz at Zennor ?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 17, 2008 8:48:59 GMT -5
On the other hand - What is the fascination of all these women named Elizabeth wanting marry Michael Curnows. ;D This bloke was baptised 1st February 1790 St Ives son of Michael CURNOW and Patience (nee QUICK). Michael was buried at St Ives 22nd November 1817 at the age of 28. Guess that takes him out of the equation. I do not think there will be much doubt about the fact that Michael Curnow married three times. My source for this information was Bill Curnow and I have absolutely no reason to doubt his information on this one. The only thing was that when he and I were discussing Curnows and other families some years ago we were concentrating on generations well before this so I only noted 'basic data' for this era. After closing off before work today another thought crossed my mind. It would be worth checking any baptism for an Elizabeth Maddern, such as the one at Paul, around 1805-1807 in the original PRs It is quite possible that she was born in Breage and yet baptised elsewhere. Will see what more I can find.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 17, 2008 9:18:39 GMT -5
A little more that might help. 1861 Census - Fern Hill, Lelant William Curnow, head, mar, 35, tin miner, Lelant Christian do., wife, mar, 30, Lelant William do., son, 6, Lelant Michael do., son, 5, Lelant Thomas do., son, 3, Lelant Mary do., son, 1, Lelant Hannibal do., son, 2 mths Hannibal Trevorrow, step-brother, unm, 21, tin miner, Lelant Ann Hosking, sister-in-law, unm, 15, Lelant And then at Lelant:- 22 April 1854 by banns William Symon Curnow full age miner Uny Lelant (father: Michael Curnow, miner0 Christian Hosking full age Uny Lelant (father: Thomas Hosking, miner) Witnesses: Thomas Hosking, Grace Curnow I cannot find Elizabeth Trevorrow in 1861 or 1871 either so she may have 'dropped off the perch'. Well, I've run out of ideas again.
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