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Post by davidkingmartin on Sept 6, 2008 10:52:35 GMT -5
Ian: You probably "have" this one already: William Dunstan Quick Martin, wife Sarah, born Ludgvan and resident Halsetown (St.Ives), b1835abt, 1871 Census. I am investigating the Martin "bit". The Quick may be one of yours, so to speak. David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2008 1:12:34 GMT -5
Not one I previously knew about David but I am now taking a look at the family and see where it leads.
Will let you know if I find anything of note for you and will be interested to see how the three names connect.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2008 2:36:58 GMT -5
He is actually William DANIEL Quick Martin bn. Ludgvan c. 1834/5. Died Penzance R.D. June Qtr 1872 Vol 5c Page 216 age 37. Married Sarah Catherine MEMORY 1852 Penzance R.D. December Qtr. vol 5c Page 565. Have found eight children for William and Sarah and now need to go to earlier Census records to track him back further. BUT - whilst searching for the children I came across another VERY interesting birth entry:- Robert TREWHELLA Martin born Penzance R.D. December Qtr 1853 Vol 5c Page 277 Can find no further entries for him in FreeBMD but the following may be his family in 1861:- Canons Town, Ludgvan Elizabeth MARTINS, head, mar, 34, dressmaker, Ludgvan Robert do., son, 7, Ludgvan Elizabeth Ann do., daur, 3, Ludgvan George do., son, 8 mths, Ludgvan Do you know anything about this lot? Ian
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2008 3:08:26 GMT -5
In the 1841 Census at Pool Hedgy, Ludgvan there is a William Martins, age 5, with parents William, 35 and Frances, 35. He appears to be the only possibility at this stage. By 1851 Frances is a widow and stated birthplace was Ludgvan. Without access to the relevant Ludgvan records that seems to be about the best I can do just for the moment. There may be a connection to William Daniel QUICK who was baptised at St Ives in 1806 but, if so, I cannot see it right now. Over to you.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Sept 7, 2008 8:47:50 GMT -5
Ian: I have nothing on these persons, but give it time.....
I wonder where I got the Dunston name from! There are some distant Dunstons in my Tree.
Next door to the William D Q Martin in 1871 are a couple, John (72) and Martha (67) Memory.
David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2008 14:14:59 GMT -5
They are all new to me David but I will keep checking to see what more I can find out. I am, of course, particularly interested in one a little closer to home for me - Robert TREWHELLA Martin. Surprised I have not come across him before given the amount of PRs I have searched through looking specifically for the name. Answers will surface.
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Post by newlyn on Sept 7, 2008 15:10:11 GMT -5
I have just looked on the Phillimores for Martin Marriages in Ludgvan. I don't know if these will help or just confuse the issue but:
William Martyns married Jennyfer Hosking 29.1.1781
Richard Martin (Soldier) married Ann Angwin 16.9.1785
William Martin married Ursula Michell 14.4.1787
Christopher Martyns of Towednack married Mary Johns 18.9.1790
John Martins married Johannah Prisk 1.4.1801
I can look back farther if you want.
Newlyn
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Post by davidkingmartin on Sept 7, 2008 16:19:00 GMT -5
Newlyn: the info. is interesting and I shall investigate further.
Christopher Martin bap.13 May 1764, Zennor, died 3 May 1824, Ludgvan, married Mary Johns. Parents: Richard and Grace Martins (Uren), from whom I am descended.
Richard is a brother of Christopher. 7Feb.1762-20 Oct.1820, marr. Ann Angwin.
More detail available...
David.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Oct 4, 2008 17:33:35 GMT -5
I think I have managed to "link" the Quick family to "my" Martin line, albeit indirectly.. William Ninnes b1672, wife Jane Curnow b1676. Son: John (1696), Towednack, marr. Jane Quick, b1700?. Jane`s father: Matthew Quick, wife Sarah Major 1655-1724. Matthew`s father: Francis 1623-`89, wife Elizabeth Paule. Matthew has a brother: Paul 1666-1710, m"Jane". Father of Francis is Thomas 1600, mZenobia (1600-`64). A brother of Francis is James 1624, father of Paul.
ie the grandchildren married one another. (This makes a change from first cousins...).
The wife of James 1624 is Jane Roberts Quick 1632.
Back to John Ninnes 1696. A brother of his is William 1692, Towednack, m.Ann. William`s son: George 1729, mAnn Jelbert. George`s g-child is Mary Ninnes 1817, who m. Joseph Martn 1815-`67, my gggfather.
Complicated. Dates may not be accurate.
There is another distant link. Jane Curnow`s sister Catherine 1679? marr. John Martin 1677-1729. Their son Richard m. C Leggoe !1706-1778). Their ggson Joseph 1815 is the aforementioned husband of Mary Ninnes (Ninnis).
And Joseph`s brother John 1810-1837, buried Ludgvan on 8 Jan. after a mining accident, is the subject of a poem by "Quick of Zennor", William if I recollect. (It`s quoted on this site ).
David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2008 4:05:25 GMT -5
Before I read your latest note I have a question. If the Richard who married Ann ANGWIN was the brother of Christopher then who was the Richard who married Ann BERRYMAN at St Ives 10th October 1790 and then had at least three children baptised back at Towednack. If my database is incorrect I need to fix it. But as Ann BERRYMAN is the one I believe baptised at Towednack in 1761 d/o Andrew and Sarah it was logical to me at the time that her husband was the brother of Christopher. Hmm - their daughters were Ann, Margaret and Jane. A little guidance required please David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2008 4:39:39 GMT -5
So which of George's children was the mother of Mary Ninnes (wife of Joseph Martin). George Ninnes was married twice although at the marriage to Ann JELBART he was not recorded as a 'widower' but merely 'of Towednack'. He was first married to Jane WHITE at Towednack 24th June 1765 and had two children by her:- George 1765-1779 Jane 1768- To Ann JELBERT he had the following:- Ann 1771-1771 John 1773- William 1775-1811 Ann 1778- Mary 1781-1794 Elisabeth 1791- I currently have the parents of Mary (1817) as:- John NINNES, miner of Crowan Charlotte SCHOLLAR, of Breage m. 25th October 1806 at Breage So was this John the son of George? All the children of John and Charlotte were baptised at Towednack but there was not a 'George' amongst them. And all I know of Joseph MARTIN at the moment is that he married Mary NINNES at Gulval in 1838 and he was a 'miner of Ludgvan', father James MARTIN. BTW - if you check the QUICK and TREWHELLA threads you will find the answers to the mystery of William Daniel Quick MARTIN plus a few other MARTIN items that I need some assistance with. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2008 4:53:11 GMT -5
AHA! - so, even though his stated birthplace in 1851 was Ludgvan, Joseph was actually baptised at Towednack in 1815 and was the son of James and Charity.
They had a son John baptised in 1810 which will no doubt be the one you mentioned who died in the mining accident in 1837.
Possibly the reason why Joseph's only son (at least the only one I know of at the minute) was named John.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2008 5:15:17 GMT -5
Richard Martyn (Soldier) married Ann Angwin 16.9.1785
I have this fellow bp. 26th December 1748 s/o Arthur MARTYN and Honour (nee HARRY)
Children - Ann, Arthur, Honor, Arthur and James all bp. Ludgvan.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Oct 5, 2008 15:53:42 GMT -5
The 1851 info. is an error on my part. Joseph Martin b1815 Ludgvan, d1867, wife Mary Ninnes b1817. Joseph is a son of James 1774 and Charity Carbus 1775. John bp.18 Mar.1810, Towed., buried Jan. 1837 (the accident). Joseph M. 1815 had 10 children. Details available. I have his Death Cert.(copy).
More to follow tomorrow.
David.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Oct 6, 2008 5:27:38 GMT -5
Ian: A child of George Ninnes 1729 is John Ninnes (1773, Towednack), husband of Charlotte Scholar. A child of John`s is Mary, wife of Joseph Martin (1815/`67).
I did not realise that George had married twice.
Richard Martin 1762-1820 m. Ann Angwin His brother Christopher 1762-1820 m.Mary Johns of Ludgvan. Other brothers incl. David 1768-1863, m.Marjery Eddy (1760-). John, m.Elizabeth Rogers. James, m. Charity Carbus (--bess). Thomas, m. Margaret Allen. Their parents: Richard 1734 and Grace (Uren) 1739-1816.
I have an Ann Berriman marrying David Martin(s) on 20 Dec.1759, Towednack. David is a son of Richard 1708-`43 and of Christian Leggoe 1706-1778. Richard 1708 is the father of Richard 1734-1800.This is not the same Berriman/Berryman to which you refer.
Do not alter your database! I may have the wrong detail, but it comes from the Towednack BMDs, some BTs and from various Trees, some of which have been sent to me from far-flung relatives.
James 1774 and Charity (Carbis/..bus) 1775 had a daughter Charity (1795, Towed.) who m. a James Berriman.
David.
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