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Post by smills on Aug 7, 2010 19:20:12 GMT -5
My main interests are with the Hosken/Hosking family in St. Just (Benjamin Hosken married Mary Potheras 10 June 1821); the Bond or Thomas family who lived variously in Ludgvan, Sancreed and St. Just (John Thomas Bond married Mary [Elizabeth] Brea 23 Oct 1824); the Mill family in Illogan (William Mill married Ann Spargo 4 March 1809); and the Lawrence family in Illogan (Peter Lawrence married Mary Nancarrow 26 Dec 1808).
The above are all my greatx3-grandparents. The names and dates are based on a combination of records from the IGI and OPC, supplemented with UK Census records, and I'm reasonably certain they are right, but I welcome any corrections!
Cheers,
Suzanne
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 8, 2010 9:00:58 GMT -5
Hello Suzanne - a bit of a mixed bag of Parishes there!  Do you want initially to have your information and links checked for correctness? If so then please give us a bit of an idea how you link to these families and perhaps the latest Census record that you can confirm is your family. That way each link can be traced back and checked.  Otherwise just let us know where you would like some help and let's see what can be done to find an answer or three. CT |
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Post by smills on Aug 8, 2010 13:03:33 GMT -5
Ah! Sorry, I should have been more specific.
Mainly I'm hoping to trace them back further, and also to verify that the wives' maiden names are right.
I started with my great-grandparents' names, Samuel Mills and Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bond, who had immigrated to northern Michigan; and I'd been told that the family name was originally Mill not Mills. So I traced back from there.
Would it be better if I put what I've got under the appropriate Parish headings?
Thanks for your swift reply!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 8, 2010 20:18:27 GMT -5
I think we might start with Samuel and Lizzie Mills - especially as I have not yet been able to find them!  So if you can tell me when and where they married and when they left England for Michigan it might be a good start. Once we get the initial bit worked out we might think about moving the discussion to a more appropriate place. CT |
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Post by smills on Aug 9, 2010 16:20:57 GMT -5
Here they are -- and this might be TMI! Sam's first appearance is in the 1871 UK Census:
MILL, Thomas, 46, Tin Miner
Johanna, 39, wife
James, 18, son, Tin Miner
Charles, 16, son, Tin Miner
Jane, 14, daughter, Tin Miner (!)
Thomas, 12, son
Susan L, 10, daughter, Scholar
Elizabeth A, 8, daughter, Scholar
Samuel, 4, son <---
William, 2, son
Ellen, 1, daughter
LAWRENCE, Mary, Mother[-in-law], 88, widow
All of them were born in Illogan.
Thomas Mill and Johanna Lawrence were married 4 August 1852 in the parish church of Illogan; their fathers' names were William and Peter respectively. Thomas died in 1876, Johanna remarried in 1886, and in that same year Sam and his sister Elizabeth Ann emigrated to Michigan, where their brother James had already gone in 1873. (They were followed by brother Thomas in 1889 -- the 1900 US Census has all four living in Lake Linden in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and their last name was now spelled Mills not Mill.)
Lizzie Bond's parents William Thomas Bond and Eliza Hosking were married in 1853 in St. Just; not long after they emigrated to Ontario, Canada, with William's parents (John Thomas and Mary Bond) and siblings. Their four eldest children were born in Canada, then in 1862 they relocated to Port Austin, Michigan, where their younger children were born. In the 1870 US Census there are:
BOND, William, 37, Salt Boiler
Eliza, 35, Keeping house
Hannah, 15
William, 14, Works in Saw Mill
Mary, 12
Selena, 10
John, 6
James, 4
Eliza, 1
Elizabeth (Lizzie), 1 month <---
Eliza died about 1878. Then, at least some of the family moved again, to Lake Linden. Sam Mills married Lizzie Bond in Lake Linden on 23 April 1890 (and his sister Elizabeth Ann married Lizzie's brother John in 1890 or '91).
Correction: The Johanna Mill who married in 1886 was not the widow of Thomas but a much younger woman. I have found Johanna Mill in the 1891 Census but not after that.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 9, 2010 18:50:51 GMT -5
Suzanne - I have done a little work on this and I agree with your MILL line back to the marriage of William to Ann SPARGO in 1809. I believe Ann to have been baptised 16th July 1786 at Illogan to John Spargo and Elizabeth John who were married 17th October 1772 at Illogan. Ann Spargo is almost certainly closely related to Elizabeth Spargo who married into one of my Trewella families at Illogan. William MILL is a little more difficult as there are two possibilities. 1. bp. 2nd October 1785 Illogan to William MILL and Mary ANGOVE who married 17th October 1784 Illogan Other Children:- Mary (1787), Thomas (1790), Elizabeth (1792) and John (1797) all at Illogan. 2. bp. 29th June 1784 Illogan to Wiliam MILL of Illogan and Elizabeth STODDEN who married 1st June 1765 at Sithney Other Children:- William (1766), Eliza (1767), Ann (1770), Edward (1771), Jane (1773), Thomas (1775), Mary (1776), Alice (1778), Susannah (1780) and Grace (1782). There is also a daughter Ann baptised to William and Elizabeth at Illogan in 1794 which suggests the possibility of another family with parents William and Elizabeth. I have been unable to locate another such marriage so far. The first child of William and Ann Mill was given the name Mary and that might suggest that William belongs to the marriage of Mary ANGOVEl. However, after naming their first son William there were two daughters baptised to William and Ann - each was given the name ELIZABETH! Adding to the probem here is that Elizabeth was also the name of Ann's mother. Jane Spargo Mill was possibly named after Ann's sister Jenifer. I am inclined towards William and Elizabeth being the parents of your William although I cannot be sure at the moment. In 1851 and 1861 William's age suggests a birth about 1785 or 1786 which would match with him being the son of William and Mary. But in 1841 his age was recorded as 57 which indicates William and Elizabeth as the parents. Now let me see if the Lawrence side can be a little less confusing! CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 9, 2010 19:43:26 GMT -5
Still confusion with the Lawrence/Laurence family unfortunately!  In 1828 at Illogan there is a baptism for a Peter s/o Peter and Polly Lawrence. Although the parents are the same (read Mary for Polly?) I don't think Peter belongs to the family of Johanna.  The reason I say this is because it appears son Peter bp. 1813 was still living. My one other problem with Peter and Mary is their age.  In 1871 Mary was age 88 and in 1861 age 79 - projected birth therefore is 1782. But in 1851 she said she was 54 and in 1841 her age is rounded down to 50. But I think this has to be her:- Mary d/o Edward and Joan Nancarrow bp. 26th May 1787 Illogan Edward Nancarrow married Joan Craze 1st February 1777 Illogan Peter Lawrence is just as bad with his age indicating a birth around 1782 or 1783 however:- Peter s/o Peter and Jane Lawrence bp. 30th April 1786 Illogan Peter Laurence married Jane Cockin 24th July 1773 Illogan That is the way it currently looks to me. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 9, 2010 22:59:19 GMT -5
After a brief break I decided to have a look at the BOND side of things. And after many hours I was ready to give up  when I finally stumbled onto something. From there it has taken several more hours to piece together what I now know. Unfortunately the cupboard still looks extremely bare!  Don't get me wrong - I have enjoyed it as I love a good genealogical challenge. I am not sure just how much you want to know so there is one piece of information I will keep to myself just for the time being. John Thomas BOND married Mary BRAY 23rd October 1824 at Phillack I have managed to find records for the following children:- Henry Thomas bp. 20th March 1825 Ludgvan Mary Ann bp. 28th January 1827 Ludgvan William Thomas bp. 21st October 1832 Sancreed James Thomas bp. 21st September 1834 Sancreed Constance Thomas bp. 17th November 1844 St Just Alexander Thomas bp. 1st November 1846 St Just You will notice a gap of about 5 years between Mary Ann and William Thomas and then another very large gap of 10 years between James and Constance. I have not been able to find any more children at all. I HAVE NOT been able to find the family ANYWHERE in the 1841 Census. I HAVE NOT been able to find the family ANYWHERE in the 1851 Census. I checked FreeBMD and there is no further record for Constance Thomas Bond or Alexander Thomas Bond in the UK. I have checked emigration records and have been unable to find any trace of any member of this family. The following post will outline the little I have been able to find out about the HOSKING family. CT |
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Post by smills on Aug 9, 2010 23:25:04 GMT -5
Wow! you have already found out more than I've been able to unearth after...um...a lot of time.
I have to apologize again, I should have said more clearly that the Bonds were also Thomases. I believe John Thomas Bond (who sometimes went by the last name of Thomas, at least before he emigrated) was the illegitimate son of Mary Ann Bond and Henry Thomas of Ludgvan. There's a Bond [argh! pun not intended] of Bastardy dated 1803. (This was a huge breakthrough that I discovered recently at the OPC.) So the family is there in the 1841 UK Census in Sancreed under the name of Thomas (minus the wife Mary who happened to be in Phillack visiting her father Alexander Bray!).
I need to digest all this for a bit. Hey, it seems we may be distant relations via the Spargoes!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 10, 2010 0:59:30 GMT -5
Okay - I think I have the Hosking family rounded up. Father Benjamin appears to have been the youngest child of William and Ann Hosking with his Christian name coming from his uncle Benjamin Davy or great-grandfather Benjamin Garter. All nine children of Benjamin and Mary Hosking were still alive in 1841 and certainly eight were still alive in 1851 as they were all still living at home with their widowed mother! Eldest son Benjamin was married by this time but still living at St Just. In 1861 Benjamin was still at St Just but the remainder of the family has DISAPPEARED! Mary POTHERAS may have been the daughter of Stephen and Mary Poterhas bp. at St Just in 1805. But she had four sons and not one was named Stephen so I am not really sure. And the final note!! The marriage of William Thomas BOND and Eliza HOSKING cannot be found in England! I have searched my records and have searched FreeBMD but there is not a trace of them having married in England. Guess Canada must be the next consideration but I have also drawn a blank there with the records I am able to find. A little bit of reading for you anyway. ;D CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 10, 2010 1:05:15 GMT -5
Knowing that some people are sensitive about such things I had deliberately left out the fact that John Thomas Bond was the illegitimate son of Marianne. But he was not alone! He had a brother by name of William Thomas Bond who was also baptised without a father!  Working on Ludgvan and I must say that I forgot to check the Bastardy Bonds but I did wonder about the first son being named Henry Thomas Bond. (And now I know.) I had fleetingly wondered about the possibility of the family sneaking around the Census under the surname of Thomas. My tired old brian probably bucked at the thought of searching!  So the picture builds! CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 10, 2010 1:10:56 GMT -5
Well now we have a quandary! Ludgvan Bastardy Bonds 16th December 1803 Henry Thomas and John Rapson, Ludgvan 40 Pounds Mary Ann BOND's base child 18th December 1805 William Thomas junr. and Henry Thomas, Ludgvan 40 Pounds Mary Ann BOND's male base child Seems reasonably clear that Henry Thomas was the father of the first child. But was it Henry or his (probable) brother William who was responsible for the second?! ;D CT |
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Post by smills on Aug 10, 2010 10:53:30 GMT -5
William and Eliza's marriage is in the OPC but with the names being:
William THOMAS, 22, bachelor, shoemaker of Bosorne, son of John Thomas, carpenter
married 12 Nov 1853 in St. Just to
Eliza HOSKEN, 21, spinster of Bosorne, dtr of Benjamin Hosken, miner
Witnesses Henry Thomas and Jane Ellis.
Meanwhile, Mary Ann Bond's second son is an intriguing discovery. I had seized on the first record and didn't look further! So she may have had two sons by two brothers... I'm sure there must be a story there, but we'll probably never know it. Our ancestors were certainly a more lively bunch than one would guess from the old-fashioned stiff portraits!
Thank you so much for all the investigating you've done, this is an immense help to me,
Suzanne
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Post by smills on Aug 10, 2010 14:46:15 GMT -5
The way Mary Lawrence's age differs with every census is a puzzle. (Also, she must have been a tough old bird, I wish I'd known her!)
She died in the 2d qtr of 1874 at which time her age was given as 92.
It seems like 1782 for year of birth seems like the best bet, all things considered.
ETA: Although, that would make her aged about 50 when Johanna was born, and about 53 when the youngest child Mary was born, which seems kind of prodigious, tough old bird or not!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 11, 2010 1:55:14 GMT -5
Always my pleasure to be of help Suzanne and I love the challenge! Must have been well tired though as I would usually do some alternate checking when I know (or suspect) multiple names might have been used. And this one was tapping very hard on my heard!! Never mind - details now located and my database updated. Hopefully this will help others and you will be able to point them in the right direction. Now that the basis of your work has been pretty well established and verified you will no doubt have a lot more work to do that will take you into areas where others on this board are a little more knowledgeable and competant than me. [quoteETA: Although, that would make her aged about 50 when Johanna was born, and about 53 when the youngest child Mary was born][/quote] AHA! ;D - another one who has fallen into the trap! As soon as I saw that Census record and noted the ages I became suspicious as I generally use age 48 as the cutoff point for childbearing. Mary daughter of GRACE Lawrence was baptised 26th February 1837 at Illogan She was not Mary's daughter but rather her illegitimate grandaughter by daughter Grace. So if Mary was actually born in 1782 then she would be just 48 when Johanna was baptised 2nd January 1831. My theory on childbearing age is still holding up! |
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when I finally stumbled onto something. 
