Richard QUICKs - some others

[Cornish Terrier]

You guys are gonna learn to hate me but I thought it the best move to begin a new thread to discuss a few of the other Richard QUICKs we have floating about.

I have discovered a little problem that will affect some of our work relating to the Richard QUICKs of St Ives.

And I know you did not want to starting playing around with other Parishes too much just yet but ................

Here is the outline of the problem.

Richard QUICK, 50 of Mousehole, buried 23rd September 1835 at Paul (i.e. born about 1785)

You might reasonably ask just why I have a problem with this particular event.

1. I have only ONE Richard born about this time - bp. 6th August 1786 at St Ives s/o James and Ann (nee TONKYN) QUICK

2. The just-mentioned Richard is currently thought to be the man who married Blanch CURNOW at St Ives 17th April 1827

3. Richard QUICK married Ann WILLIS 21st June 1808 at Paul

4. I have checked and there is no chance of the same man being widowed and then remarried as the wife of each was still alive in 1851 as was the husband of Blanch.

As I think we are all aware - two into one just don't fit! - so therefore we have a problem! ;D

To answer your next question - just what does this really have to do with St Ives?

Prior to 1812 there are only four QUICKs baptised at Paul - Peter in 1728, John in 1755, Phillis in 1808 and Richard in 1810.

These last two were children of Richard and Ann QUICK.

Ann, as illustrated above, was Ann WILLIS.

It turns out that Ann WILLIS was the sister of Margaret WILLIS.

And if that name sounds familiar then it should because Margaret WILLIS married Edward QUICK at Paul in 1816.

As per one of my previous notes Edward QUICK was born at ST IVES!

We know that Edward was buried at Paul in 1864 and that he was then 72. (And with no prospects of getting any older ;D)

Edward was baptised at St Ives 15th November 1793 s/o James and Ann (nee TONKYN) QUICK.

Potentially Edward and Richard QUICK who married the sisters WILLIS - are likely BROTHERS.

It is a logical conclusion based on all the 'known' facts.

BUT if this is the case then we have now 'lost' the Richard who married Blanch CURNOW.

So I think we need to take another serious look at Richard and Blanch to see if there might be anything we have missed.

Known 'facts' about him:-

In the 1841 Census his age is clearly written as '55'.

In 1841 he and Blanch are at Borallan where the only occupiers of that property are descendants of James QUICK of Borallan.

In the 1851 Census his age has been interpreted as '45' based on a very faint and confusing entry.

In 1851 his birthplace is recorded as St Ives.

Richard died sometime after the 1851 Census but before the 1861 Census so at this point in time we do not clearly know his age.

It seems obvious to me that Richard is directly connected with Borallan via family links. (refer back to earlier notes on this subject.)

Those are the facts as I see them so I will leave them for your perusal and thought.

Meanwhile I will have a hunt around and see if I might find anything else that might help.

CT

[gandolf]

Time for my tuppence on this subject ;D

CT, like you I am leaning toward Richard, husband of Blanch being the son of Richard Quick & Jane Baragwanath.

I roughed out some research based only on your original post, and only read the follow up posts after my initial research so as not to be influenced.

Your latter thoughts in this thread match what I was thinking.

Richard & Blanch's son William married Margaret Mitchell and the naming of their children is suggestive:

First two: William & Margaret after their parents
Second two: Blanche & Richard after their paternal grandparents
Final two: Jane & Thomas

Thomas would seem to be after his maternal grandfather. However, Margaret Mitchell's mother was Elizabeth - not Jane.

So the names almost fit a modified traditional naming pattern (parents, paternal grandparents, maternal grandparents).

So who is the Jane named after? I suspect paternal great-grandmother. (She could be named after William's sister, but given he never knew her this is unlikely)

Also looking at Richard Quick & Blanch Curnow's children:
Ann, William, Jane, William

Assuming I have correctly placed Blanch as the daughter of Richard & Ann Curnow, then the Ann would likely be after Blanch's mother.

Assuming Richard as the son of Richard & Jane (Baragwanath) Quick then Jane is after Richard's mother.

The Williams at the moment escape me as I haven't looked any further back to see whether there is a reason for the use of that name.

I would also suggest that it is unlikely that the Richard who married Blanch is the son of James & Ann (Tonkyn) Quick. For one there is no use of the name James anywhere in the descendants I have looked at, either as the children of Richard & Blanch or grandchildren - very unlikely if there was an actual connection.

[Cornish Terrier]

Richard & Blanch's son William married Margaret Mitchell and the naming of their children is suggestive:

First two: William & Margaret after their parents
Second two: Blanche & Richard after their paternal grandparents
Final two: Jane & Thomas

Thomas would seem to be after his maternal grandfather. However, Margaret Mitchell's mother was Elizabeth - not Jane

Elizabeth d/o William and Margaret QUICK baptised 24th March 1864 St Ives Primitive Methodist Circuit

And here, perhaps, is the CLINCHER:-

At the time of this baptism William QUICK was 'OF TREVALGAN'! ;D

In fact for the last five children - Blanch, Elizabeth, Richard, Jane and Thomas - William was recorded as 'of Trevalgan'.

I have not yet found baptisms for William or Margaret Michell QUICK, the first two children.

Identity of Blanch - yep baptised 7th October 1798 St Ives d/o Richard and Ann (nee POOLEY) CURNOW.

Now that you have Elizabeth all the names fit an old-fashioned naming pattern - except for Jane.

William and Margaret Michell - obviously after parents
Richard and Blanch - after paternal grandparents
Thomas and Elizabeth - after maternal grandparents
Jane - very likely after paternal grandmother

The children of Richard and Blanch now need another brief look.

The Williams at the moment escape me as I haven't looked any further back to see whether there is a reason for the use of that name

I am with you on this one.

If Richard were son of James then there was a brother named William but it would seem a little unusual, although we have seen it before, to name a son after a brother (twice!) before using the name of the child's father or grandfathers.

If Richard is who we now both seem to think he is then use of Richard as a name for his son would take care of 'three birds in one hit'!

But even then there is a brother William who died in 1855.

William does not appear in the immediate family of Blanch.

Unless we do actually have the wrong Blanch.

There was another Blanch CURNOW baptised the same year.

Her parents were William and Martha but she was baptised at Towednack as were her father and seven siblings.

Blanch QUICK stated her birthplace as St Ives so I think we do have the right one.

Appears we are agreed on this so will need a response from Lannanta to see what his thoughts are.

Regarding Richard s/o James and Ann - would you agree now that he is the man buried at Paul in 1835 and now becomes a brother to Edward QUICK of a previous thread??

And now you also know why I brought those particular people into the discussion.

CT

[Deleted]

I cannot disagree with any of the assumptions and inferences made with respect to Richard and Blanch. I am happy enough to leave it until I get a copy of the will of Richard dated 1855.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Yes - that should tell us exactly where we are heading.

My old friend Bill Curnow used to coninually berate me for trying to 'invent people' and, although we do know there are problems with at least a couple of years of St Ives records, that is part of my problem with this situation.

At the moment we seemingly need to 'invent' a Richard QUICK to solve the problem.

Probably dependant on what time I get home tonight after our burno-off, I hope to have another look at this and also to 'take a trip' through Zennor and Towednack to see what other loose ends are there.

There is now certainly one at Zennor - Matthew son of Thomas and Elizabeth QUICK of the Tremeder thread.

In fact I think there may be a couple of Matthew QUICKs that need looking at.

I may also have another look through the Census records for others that were Cornish-born but living elsewhere.

And I think we could possibly return to my scenario of the other night and try to identify the remaining Williams that I started discussing.

[Deleted]

This is the last will and testament of Richard Quick of the Parish of St Ives in the County of Cornwall, farmer.

First I give and bequeath unto my dear wife Blanch Quick my leasehold house and premises situate in the said Parish of St Ives. Also I give and bequeath unto my said wife during the term of her natural life the sum of ten pounds of lawful money and to be issuing and payable out of my livestock, husbandry implements and other effects which I may die possessed.

Also I give and bequeath unto my daughter Ann Quick the principal sum of five pounds to be paid to her twelve months after the time of my decease by my son William Quick.

Lastly I give devise and bequeath all and every goods, chattels, rights, credits, monies, property and effects whatsoever and wheresoever (not herein before devised or disposed of) unto my son William Quick with him paying the annuity and legacy herein before specified (that is to say) ten pounds a year unto Blanch Quick my said wife and the sum of five pounds unto my said daughter Ann Quick. And I do also hereby make nominate and appoint my said son the executor of this my last will and testament utterly revoking and disannulling all former wills made by me. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand this twenty ninth day of April 1855.
X - the mark of Richard Quick.

The effects of Richard Quick were sworn as being under 200 pounds and Richard Quick died on the 3rd May 1855.

Admon of all and singular the goods of Richard Quick, deceased, and anyway concerning the said Will was granted to William Quick, the son of Richard Quick on the 13th June 1855 at St Ives.

OK, so this shows that the date of death of this Richard is the same as the date of death for Richard recorded on his headstone, one of the three brothers commemorated in the Towednack cemetery, viz; Richard, Peter B., and William. ;D

You will be very pleased to know that while it was minus 15 degrees when I left Bavaria it is more than that on the positive side of the scale here in Ashburton. For more than one reason it is good to be home.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Score '1' for me! ;D

That really 'had' to be the answer - but we now have to deal with the problem I knew would arise should it be proven that Richard was indeed son of Richard and Jane (nee BARAGWANATH) and one of the three brothers of 'Towednack fame'.

Just what was their connection to BORALLAN!

Will take another look at this in the next couple of days - all being well on the fire front!