Richard of Ludgvan

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Finally for the night, just trying to eliminate a few ;D

There was a headstone at Ludgvan cemetery for a Richard (OTP)and Ann and included their son Richard. This family was Richard born 1800 or so, son of Richard Quick and Thomasin Mundy. His wife Ann was Ann Troon born about 1797. Richard and Ann's son Richard was born in 1825 and died in 1859.

Richard and Ann also had a second son, James, born about 1836, at Ludgvan, and I have no idea why there was such a gap between the two boys. I think he was buried at Crowlas about 1897, husband of Grace.

Anyway I digress, I think that Richard born 1800 was the son of Richard Quick and Thomasin Mundy, as above, who were married in Ludgvan in 1798.

My first assumption is that this appears to be a Ludgvan family, and so if I was looking for the next generation then the first place to look is Ludgvan, and the most likely set of parents are Richard and Honour Jacka.

Would appreciate some comment on this please

[Cornish Terrier]

Can't you find any easy ones for me to deal with. ;D

I currently have Richard and Ann 'unattached' as I have never had enough information to work with.

Son Richard was baptised at Ludgvan 17th July 1825.
James was baptised at Ludgvan 7th August 1836.

Both recorded as sons of Richard and Ann however IGI records James' mother as Jane.

From what I had previously been able to ascertain Richard was deceased prior to the 1851 Census and there was no way for me to tell what became of his son of that name.

Details of that headstone would be very much appreciated.

In fact, details of any headstones you recorded would be helpful if, and when, you are able.

Another thing I did not know was the name of Richard's wife so would appreciate some details there.

If Ann was indeed Ann TROON and was born Ludgvan about 1797 then she would have been the daughter of James and Jennifer (nee LENTON) given she was the only Ann TROON bp. at Ludgvan.

On what you have outlined I would agree that Richard was probably the son of Richard and Thomasin (nee MUNDY) and was baptised in 1801 at Ludgvan.

But Richard senior is another I have left 'unattached' because of insufficient information.

When he married Thomasin MUNDY in 1798 he was 'of Lelant' - that is probably the main reason for his current 'situation' in my database.

I will take another look at Richard and Ann soon.

IGI shows only three baptisms for Thomasin MUNDY (variants) and the most likely would be:-

bp. 6th September 1772 at St Hilary d/o Robert and Joan

This is almost certainly her given that Richard and Thomasin named a son Robert Monday QUICK in 1803.

Perhaps interesting that a Joan MUNDAY of Towednack married Richard TREVORROW at St Ives in 1727.

We need now to find out, if possible, approximately when Richard would have been born as I have three possible candidates.

1. bp. 28th December 1751 Ludgvan s/o Richard and Elizabeth (nee ROW)
2. bp. 20th September 1772 St Ives s/o Richard and Honour (nee JENKYN)
3. bp. 24th June 1776 Ludgvan s/o Richard and Honour (nee JACKA)

If we were to 'stick to the rules' and go by the names of their children I would be inclined to say he was the son of Richard and Elizabeth and, so, baptised in 1751.
With only four children this must be considered a possibility.

I will leave that one alone for the moment.

Back to Richard and Ann.

I currently have their son James as:-

25 May 1873 by Banns
James Quick 37 Miner of Gulval (Father: Richard Quick, Miner)
Grace Jenkin 40 of Gulval (Father: William Jenkin, Smelter)
Witnesses: Christopher Jenkin, Thomas Jenkin

Now if this is correct then James is NOT the man at Crowlas in 1897 as the 1881 Census shows Grace as a widow.

James must have died shortly before the 1881 Census as FreeBMD shows a death for James, age 44, in the March Qtr of 1881.

The only deaths recorded in FreeBMD for James QUICK in the Penzance District in the 1890's are:-

September 1887 age 68

June 1890 age 62
March 1894 age 10
December 1895 age 1 (James Lyttleton Q)

The next one is in 1908.

I cannot find Grace in 1891 and cannot find a death for her so perhaps she remarried.

Will have a hunt around and see what more I can find.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

A few little details I have found.

Have found Richard and Ann in the 1841 Census along with what would appear to be Ann's mother Jane TROON, age 70.

From that I would say:-

Geniver d/o William LENTON bp. 14th August 1768 Ludgvan

William LENTON m. Jane OATS 28th May 1768 Ludgvan

Jane LENTON m. James TROON 6th August 1792 Ludgvan

Ann d/o James and Jane TROON bp. 12th November 1797 Ludgvan

Also found the following:-

Robert MONDY m. Joan TONKIN 2nd June 1764 Ludgvan

I have to agree that it is looking very much like Richard (m. Ann) was the son of Richard and Thomasin.

Next thing is to try and determine which of the possibilities could be the senior Richard.

Need to reboot the system now so will continue in a while.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Here is an interesting addition for you.

Elizabeth d/o Richard and Thomasin QUICK bp. Ludgvan 1812

She married Henry Davy THOMAS 28th May 1831 presumably at Ludgvan.

There are twelve children over a period of 26 years.

The last two of these were:-

Lydia Ann Davy THOMAS bp. Ludgvan 10th February 1854
married 26th November 1876 Ludgvan
Ernest JAMES

Lydia was buried 9th November 1877 at Ludgvan

Margaret Davy THOMAS bp. 25th June 1857 Ludgvan
married 26th January 1879 Ludgvan
Charles William GALLOWAY

In the 1881 Census Charles and Margaret are at Penzance with three children:-

Emelia A GALLOWAY age 4 born Ludgvan
Charles P age 1
Henry D age 3 months

Emelia obviously born prior to the marriage.

I located Elizabeth (nee QUICK) in the 1891 Census and with her was a grandaughter LYDIA GALLOWAY age 13, born Ludgvan.

I searched FreeBMD for any Lydia born between 1876 and 1879 and came up with:-

Lydia Ann DAVY born December Qtr 1877

The 1881 Census transcriber has read Lydia as 'Emelia'.

And Margaret has registered her illegitimate daughter as DAVY instead of THOMAS.

BTW Elizabeth THOMAS d/o Richard and Thomasin QUICK was buried at Ludgvan 5th June 1892 age 79 and her death is registered as Elizabeth Davy THOMAS.

Regards the naming of her daughter as a DAVY is interesting.

Margaret's elder brother Henry Davy THOMAS married Grace ROBERTS at St Hilary 17th March 1868.

(All this information initially came from Carin THOMAS who was researching the family some years ago.)

I have just checked the St Hilary OPRs and Henry was married as Henry DAVEY, 39, of Ludgvan.

He died 14th January 1892 at Grass Valley, California.

Still no decision on Richard but at least you know what happened to Elizabeth. ;D

[Cornish Terrier]

Turning attention briefly to the second son of Richard and Thomasin, Robert Monday QUICK.

Robert married Elizabeth () probably about 1825/6 and had five children that I can find.

Elizabeth bp. 28th June 1826
Robert bp. 10th February 1829
William bp. 27th January 1832
Richard bp. 27th October 1837
James born about 1843

All at Ludgvan.

The family appears at Ludgvan in the 1851 Census but thereafter seems to disappear.

Robert's wife was born at Redruth according to that Census.

I have now located the two youngest sons Richard and James in the 1861 Census.

The were then lead miners and were lodging at Menheniot.

Both have disappeared by 1881.

CT

At the moment I can find nothing more on the family but would like to know just who Robert's wife was.

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Morning CT

Now if this is correct then James is NOT the man at Crowlas in 1897 as the 1881 Census shows Grace as a widow.

James must have died shortly before the 1881 Census as FreeBMD shows a death for James, age 44, in the March Qtr of 1881.

Oops

Headstone at Crowlas, James died 6th Jan 1881. It was his wife Grace who died 28th May 1895.

Sorry about that.

Lannanta

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CT

Agreed:

IGI shows only three baptisms for Thomasin MUNDY (variants) and the most likely would be:-

bp. 6th September 1772 at St Hilary d/o Robert and Joan

This is almost certainly her given that Richard and Thomasin named a son Robert Monday QUICK in 1803.

Also agree:

If Ann was indeed Ann TROON and was born Ludgvan about 1797 then she would have been the daughter of James and Jennifer (nee LENTON) given she was the only Ann TROON bp. at Ludgvan.

Although in Phillimore I think she is named as Jane and not Jennifer. Ann Troon married Richard Quick at Ludgvan 15th May 1823.

On reflection I also agree:

If we were to 'stick to the rules' and go by the names of their children I would be inclined to say he was the son of Richard and Elizabeth and, so, baptised in 1751.
With only four children this must be considered a possibility.

With four children, Robert Mundy, Richard, Thomasin and Elizabeth - this explains the Elizabeth.

When he married Thomasin MUNDY in 1798 he was 'of Lelant'

I did not know this


Many thanks for the info.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Richard being 'of Lelant' when he married Thomasin is recorded as such in Phillimore.

Thanks for the marriage details to Ann TROON - sadly lacking in Ludgvan marriages and burials.

Grace w/o James died 1895 - now here is another problem.

I cannot find grace in the 1891 Census but could be one of those where the name is mis-transcribed so will have another look.

However - here are the only Deaths in FreeBMD for Grace QUICK from 1878 to 1914:-

Deaths Mar 1878 (>99%)
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Quick Grace 80 Holsworthy 5b 135
QUICK Grace 80 Holsworthy 5b 435

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Deaths Sep 1892 (>99%)
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Quick Grace 73 Penzance 5c 147

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Deaths Mar 1894 (>99%)
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Quick Grace 77 Penzance 5c 205

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Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Quick Grace 57 Penzance 5c 157

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Deaths Jun 1897 (>99%)
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Quick Grace 65 Bodmin 5c 51


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1914 (96%)
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QUICK Grace 73 Torrington 5b 682

As you can see there is no match.

The only one that is remotely close in fact is the 1897 death at Bodmin.

June Qtr matches with day and date you have recorded and the age (65) equates to a birth about 1832 which matches with all other details I have for Grace.

I don't doubt that you have faithfully recorded the data from the headstone which would mean yet another error over a hundred and ten years ago!

Possibly a headstone produced and erected well after the demise of Grace.

Or - which would not be a first - the Monumental Mason made a Monumental Blunder and it was decided to leave the incorrect date on the Stone rather than start again.

CT

Finally - to sort out these couple of Richards I think we really need to get hold of the Ludgvan burials.

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These any use?

1. Place Ludgvan Name Richard QUICK Aged – Date 4 Aug 1719

2. Place Ludgvan Name Richard QUICK Aged 63 Date 8 Oct 1804

3. Place Ludgvan Name Richard QUICK Aged – Date 19 Jan 1778

4. Place Ludgvan Name Richard QUICK Aged 45 Date 14 Mar 1821

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks for those - will work on them as per PM.

And here is another for you that you might not have:-

Ludgvan BT's
7th April 1747 - Elizabeth QUICK

Now I would be a little sceptical about this one although it is probably correct.

The reason I have a copy of that particular page from the Ludgvan BTs is because there was a TREWHELLA burial recorded.

Elizabeth d/o Francis TREWHEELA 14th July 1747

BUT the entry in the Parish Register for that same date was for Francis TREWHEELA

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Whilst we are dealing with the QUICK family of Ludgvan let me throw another interesting little problem at you. ;D

This is something I have only just noticed in my database and it is glaringly obvious that there is a problem.

Henry QUICK bp. 13th August 1700 Towednack s/o Henry and Jane

Henry QUICK of Ludgvan married Elizabeth BAWDEN 14th December 1728 at St Hilary

Elizabeth wife of Henry QUICK was buried 18th April 1731 at St Hilary

Elizabeth d/o Henry and Eliza. QUICK bp. 18th April 1731 St Hilary (IGI)

Gabriel s/o Henry and Eliza. QUICK bp. 7th January 1733 St Hilary (IGI)

It is 'possible' that we have a late baptism involved but ....

Daughter Elizabeth is obviously baptised the same day her mother is buried so if Gabriel's baptism had not occurred soon after he was born then I suppose he may have been 'forgotten' in 1731.

There is the possibility that Henry re-married and to another Elizabeth but I have seen no evidence of that happening.

Hope someone has some ideas for me on this one!!!

Whilst at St Hilary there is also this baptism:-

Honour d/o Honour QUICK bp. 5th September 1810

Having a look at every Honor/Honour in my database and the mother must be the daughter of Richard and Honour (nee JACKA) QUICK baptised at Ludgvan 14th February 1790

And the only other baptism for a QUICK at St Hilary:-

John s/o Elizabeth QUICK bp. 3rd March 1727

With a 'history' at St Hilary it seems possible that Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry and Jane also and was baptised 15th March 1701 at Towednack.

She married Nicholas SYMONS 24th June 1738 at Perranuthnoe.

So we have another John QUICK to consider.

CT

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CT

Whilst we are dealing with the QUICK family of Ludgvan let me throw another interesting little problem at you.

This is something I have only just noticed in my database and it is glaringly obvious that there is a problem.

Henry QUICK bp. 13th August 1700 Towednack s/o Henry and Jane

Henry QUICK of Ludgvan married Elizabeth BAWDEN 14th December 1728 at St Hilary

Elizabeth wife of Henry QUICK was buried 18th April 1731 at St Hilary

Elizabeth d/o Henry and Eliza. QUICK bp. 18th April 1731 St Hilary (IGI)

Gabriel s/o Henry and Eliza. QUICK bp. 7th January 1733 St Hilary (IGI)

It is 'possible' that we have a late baptism involved but ....

Daughter Elizabeth is obviously baptised the same day her mother is buried so if Gabriel's baptism had not occurred soon after he was born then I suppose he may have been 'forgotten' in 1731.

There is the possibility that Henry re-married and to another Elizabeth but I have seen no evidence of that happening.

Just happened to be working with this lot. Henry did remarry in 1831, to Elizabeth SYMONS on the 10th August at St Hilary.

[Cornish Terrier]

I reckon Henry might have been a bit 'crusty' by 1831 so I do think you mean the marriage occurred in 1731

And I would now surmise the possibility that Eliza was a sister to Nicholas SYMONS who married Henry QUICK's sister Elizabeth at Perranuthnoe in 1738.

Thanks Lannanta and I can now make the database adjustments accordingly.

CT

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CT

Yes 1731.

One good thing about going to Cornwall and talking to a local - I know how to pronounce - Perra - nuth - noe ;D

Lannanta