Dunstan - Vine - Quick Connection

[Isambard]

Thanks to a descendent chart for Edward Vine, received from Bob Vine in Bendigo, I learned that Herbert Stanley Vine, a grandson of Edward Vine and Mary Quick, married a Dunstan, Muriel Alma Dunstan, in Eaglehawk, Victoria. Muriel Alma was the daughter of William James Dunstan and the granddaughter of Ambrose Dunstan and Elizabeth Dabb.

Curious to see whether these Dunstans related to "my" Dunstans in Truro (ref CT's search for my John Dunstan in "Who is Carlotta Demory") I came up with this in a quick search:

"LDS:
Ambrose Bray Dunston,
Christened 17 June 1827 St. Agnes, Truro
Father - Bavis Dunston
Mother - Mary

1841 Census Mount Hawke, St. Agnes
Bevas Dunstan 50 Copper Miner
Mary 50
Mary 18
Joseph 15 Copper Miner
Ambrose 14 Copper Miner
William 10
James 8


1851 Census Mount Hawke, St. Agnes
Bevas Dunstan 59 Errand Man, St.Agnes
Mary Dunstan 60 Gwennap
Ambrose Dunstan 25 Copper Miner, St.Agnes
James Dunstan 17 Copper Miner, St. Agnes

Free BMD. Marriage, Truro, Sept 1852 Vol 5c pg 227 :
Ambrose Dunstan
Elizabeth Dabb

Cornwall OPC, Baptism (non conformist)
Ambrose Dunstan 2 mos. 27 October 1853, Mount Hawke Wesleyan, St. Agnes
Father – Ambrose
Mother – Elizabeth

LDS:
Ambrose Dunstan b. 16 June 1855, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia
Father – Ambrose Dunstan
Mother – Elizabeth Dabb

LDS:
William James Dunstan b. 1859 Avoca, Victoria, Australia
Father – Ambrose Dunstan
Mother – Elizabeth Dabb

LDS:
Muriel Alana Dunstan b. abt 1897 Australia, d. 20 Sept 1968
Father – William James Dunstan
Mother – Ann Grigg Matthews
Spouse – Herbert Stanley Vine."

The LDS site also lists an Ambrose Dunstan with spouse Ellen Roberts, without details. Perhaps this is Ambrose born 1855?

Looking for a Dunstan - Bray connection I found Thomas Dunstan married Elizabeth Bray in Perranarworthal 13 Sept 1806. To be explored further.

Comments from alert readers are welcomed , as always.

[gandolf]

Isambard, the following info from the Victorian BDMS might be of interest. ;D

Firstly, confirmation that Ambrose Dunstan was indeed in Victoria, as was also his younger brother James:

DUNSTAN, Ambrose d.1888 Sandhurst (now Bendigo) age 59, father Bevis, mother Mary Bray
DUNSTAN, James d.1887 Sandhurst (now Bendigo) age 53, father Bevis, mother Mary Bray
(I haven’t found any clear evidence of a marriage for James in Victoria.)
Elizabeth Dunstan (nee Dabb) d.1913 Long Gully aged 84 father William Dabb, mother Jecoliah Jory

Ambrose & Elizabeth (nee Dabb) Dunstan had quite a tribe in Victoria:
Ambrose Dunstan b.1855 Collingwood
Jacoliah Dunstan b.1857 Avoca d.1878 Avoca at age 21
William James Dunstan b.1859 Avoca
Mary Jane Dunstan b.1860 Avoca d.1861 Avoca age 7 months
Henry Dunstan b.1862 Avoca
John Dunstan b.1864 Avoca
Samuel Dunstan b.1865 Avoca
Emily Jane Dunstan b.1866 Avoca
Joseph Dunstan b.1867 Avoca
Thomas Dunstan b.1870 Avoca
Alma Ada Dunstan b.1871 Avoca

I would imagine that Ambrose was born in Collingwood very shortly after the arrival of his parents in Victoria, Collingwood in Melbourne most likely being just a way-stop on their way to the goldfields at Avoca. Ambrose & Elizabeth do not seem to appear on the list of immigrants to Victoria 1852 –1871. This suggests that they may have arrived as “Assisted immigrants” – persons whose passage was at least partly paid for by the government of the day (I don’t have easy access to Assisted Immigrant records although they do exist). Either that or they arrived via another state (e.g. South Australia), although the birth of Ambrose in Collingwood is a fairly clear pointer to an arrival in Victoria.


Ambrose Dunstan married Ellen Roberts 1883 in Victoria. He is the one born 1855, since his birthplace is given as Collingwood at time of marriage. Their children:
Ambrose Hedley Dunstan b.1886 Sandhurst (now Bendigo)
Nellie Winifred Dunstan b.1889 Sandhurst (now Bendigo)
John Roberts Dunstan b.1892 Bendigo
Dorothy Eileen Dunstan b.1894 Long Gully
Phyllis Dunstan b.1900 Long Gully


William James Dunstan m.1888 Vic. to Ann Grigg Matthews. Children:
William Ambrose Richard Dunstan b.1889 Eaglehawk
Oliver Dunstan b. c.1891 d.1892 Eaglehawk
Stanley Oliver Dunstan b.1894 Eaglehawk
Lily Dunstan b.1896 Eaglehawk d.1901 Eaglehawk
Muriel Alma Dunstan b. 1899 Eaglehawk


Henry Dunstan m.1890 Vic. to Elizabeth Andrew Scoble. Children:
Olive Mary Dunstan b.1892 South Yarra
Henry Wilfrid Dunstan b.1895 South Yarra
Norman Ambrose Dunstan b.1900 Albert Park


Samuel Dunstan m.1889 Vic. to Isabella Curry. Children:
Ruby Isabel Dunstan b.1890 Footscray
Leslie Curry Dunstan b.1895 Ballarat


Joseph Dunstan m.1901 Vic. to Rachel Jones. Children:
Nellie Dunstan b. either 1899 or 1900 Carlton
(Nellie’s birth registered 1913 and cross referenced to both 1899 & 1900)
May Dunstan b.1902 Melbourne West d.1902 Melbourne West age month(s)
David Joseph Dunstan b.1904 Melbourne West
Amy Dunstan b.1905 Melbourne West


Emily Jane Dunstan m.1890 Vic. to Frederick Peters. Children:
Ambrose Frederick Peters b.1891 Sandhurst (now Bendigo) d.1891 Sandhurst (age 2 days)
Ida Jecoliah Peters b.1892 Bendigo (twin to Ivey)
Ivey Irene Peters b.1892 Bendigo (twin to Ida)
Frederick Herbert Peters b. circa 1898 d.1898 Long Gully aged month(s)
Elizabeth Doris Peters b.1899 Long Gully
Ambrose Bavis Peters b.1901 Long Gully
Herbert Henry Peters b.1903 Long Gully

I haven’t tried to follow the families into the next generation at the moment. Let me know if you want me to go further down the lines.

[Cornish Terrier]

Try this site for Immigration into Australia. It has information for all States.

The link for Victoria takes you to the PROV site which has Indexes for both Assistaed and Unassisted passengers.

www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/pass1.htm#Index

I have just checked and can find no sign of the family so will have a look at the other States and see what I can find.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Beves DUNSTONE bp. 9th December 1792 at St Agnes s/o William and Grace

This would appear to be the marriage for William and Grace:-

William DUNSTONE m. Grace MOORE 19th December 1769 Perranzabuloe

I cannot see any sign of a possible connection just yet but .....

CT

BTW - there was an Ambrose arrived in Victoria but unfortunately not the one you are after.
Could well be a connection though.

Index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923

This is an index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists for British, Foreign and New Zealand Ports 1852-1923



3 results found.


Family Name First Name Age Month Year Ship Port Fiche Page
DUNSON AMBROSE I DEC 1854 JAMES MCHENRY B 081 013
DUNSON MARY 25 DEC 1854 JAMES MCHENRY B 081 013
DUNSON STEPHEN 29 DEC 1854 JAMES MCHENRY B 081 013


(The number immedately after the name is the age of the passenger followed by the Month and Year of arrival.)

[Isambard]

Nov 19, 2008 6:09:34 GMT -5 gandolf said:

Isambard, the following info from the Victorian BDMS might be of interest. ;D

Firstly, confirmation that Ambrose Dunstan was indeed in Victoria, as was also his younger brother James:

DUNSTAN, Ambrose d.1888 Sandhurst (now Bendigo) age 59, father Bevis, mother Mary Bray
DUNSTAN, James d.1887 Sandhurst (now Bendigo) age 53, father Bevis, mother Mary Bray
(I haven’t found any clear evidence of a marriage for James in Victoria.)
Elizabeth Dunstan (nee Dabb) d.1913 Long Gully aged 84 father William Dabb, mother Jecoliah Jory

Ambrose & Elizabeth (nee Dabb) Dunstan had quite a tribe in Victoria:
Ambrose Dunstan b.1855 Collingwood
Jacoliah Dunstan b.1857 Avoca d.1878 Avoca at age 21
William James Dunstan b.1859 Avoca
Mary Jane Dunstan b.1860 Avoca d.1861 Avoca age 7 months
Henry Dunstan b.1862 Avoca
John Dunstan b.1864 Avoca
Samuel Dunstan b.1865 Avoca
Emily Jane Dunstan b.1866 Avoca
Joseph Dunstan b.1867 Avoca
Thomas Dunstan b.1870 Avoca
Alma Ada Dunstan b.1871 Avoca

I would imagine that Ambrose was born in Collingwood very shortly after the arrival of his parents in Victoria, Collingwood in Melbourne most likely being just a way-stop on their way to the goldfields at Avoca. Ambrose & Elizabeth do not seem to appear on the list of immigrants to Victoria 1852 –1871. This suggests that they may have arrived as “Assisted immigrants” – persons whose passage was at least partly paid for by the government of the day (I don’t have easy access to Assisted Immigrant records although they do exist). Either that or they arrived via another state (e.g. South Australia), although the birth of Ambrose in Collingwood is a fairly clear pointer to an arrival in Victoria.


Ambrose Dunstan married Ellen Roberts 1883 in Victoria. He is the one born 1855, since his birthplace is given as Collingwood at time of marriage. Their children:
Ambrose Hedley Dunstan b.1886 Sandhurst (now Bendigo)
Nellie Winifred Dunstan b.1889 Sandhurst (now Bendigo)
John Roberts Dunstan b.1892 Bendigo
Dorothy Eileen Dunstan b.1894 Long Gully
Phyllis Dunstan b.1900 Long Gully


William James Dunstan m.1888 Vic. to Ann Grigg Matthews. Children:
William Ambrose Richard Dunstan b.1889 Eaglehawk
Oliver Dunstan b. c.1891 d.1892 Eaglehawk
Stanley Oliver Dunstan b.1894 Eaglehawk
Lily Dunstan b.1896 Eaglehawk d.1901 Eaglehawk
Muriel Alma Dunstan b. 1899 Eaglehawk


Henry Dunstan m.1890 Vic. to Elizabeth Andrew Scoble. Children:
Olive Mary Dunstan b.1892 South Yarra
Henry Wilfrid Dunstan b.1895 South Yarra
Norman Ambrose Dunstan b.1900 Albert Park


Samuel Dunstan m.1889 Vic. to Isabella Curry. Children:
Ruby Isabel Dunstan b.1890 Footscray
Leslie Curry Dunstan b.1895 Ballarat


Joseph Dunstan m.1901 Vic. to Rachel Jones. Children:
Nellie Dunstan b. either 1899 or 1900 Carlton
(Nellie’s birth registered 1913 and cross referenced to both 1899 & 1900)
May Dunstan b.1902 Melbourne West d.1902 Melbourne West age month(s)
David Joseph Dunstan b.1904 Melbourne West
Amy Dunstan b.1905 Melbourne West


Emily Jane Dunstan m.1890 Vic. to Frederick Peters. Children:
Ambrose Frederick Peters b.1891 Sandhurst (now Bendigo) d.1891 Sandhurst (age 2 days)
Ida Jecoliah Peters b.1892 Bendigo (twin to Ivey)
Ivey Irene Peters b.1892 Bendigo (twin to Ida)
Frederick Herbert Peters b. circa 1898 d.1898 Long Gully aged month(s)
Elizabeth Doris Peters b.1899 Long Gully
Ambrose Bavis Peters b.1901 Long Gully
Herbert Henry Peters b.1903 Long Gully

I haven’t tried to follow the families into the next generation at the moment. Let me know if you want me to go further down the lines.

Thanks Gandolf, I don't want to go further down. Gosh, at this point in time it looked as if the Dunstans were bent on populating Australia!

[gandolf]

Isambard,

Compared to one of my non-Cornish ancestral families, the Dunstans will have to get a move on if they want to populate Australia. ;D

My 4xgreat-grandparents Nathaniel Lucas & Olivia Gascoigne arrived from England in chains with the First Fleet to Australia in 1788, and married the same year. Their descendants are indeed making a valiant attempt to colonise the whole of Australia.

After a "mere" 220 years, that couple now has over 40,000 documented descendants, of whom more than 30,000 are alive today, most of them born & living in Australia. Descendants are known to have emigrated to more than a dozen other countries, with New Zealand having a significant grouping.

The living descendants represent a statistically measureable fraction of the Australian population:
- about 1 in 650 (0.15%) of the total population of Australia
- about 1 in 500 (0.20) of the Australian born population of Australia

At the current rate of expansion, they are likely to represent 1% of the population by the end of this century.