CARBIS Conundrum

[HeatherC]

Was stuck at a brick wall with my husbands CARBIS line for nearly 8 years but have had a bit of a break through in the last six months after I refused to give up digging, looking or generally harassing people that cared to listen ;D! Need now to air my recent finds and thoughts, in the hope of spotting something else myself......... or if I am truly honest, harassing your good selves into adding your knowledgeable two penny worth lol!
So here goes.... and please excuse the ramblings of a person obsessed


My husbands 4x gt.grandfather Edward CARBIS (Carbence, Carbance, Carbes, Carbus and so on) was married twice, his first marriage was to a Jane and they had the following children


Jane CARBANCE baptised 29 July 1759 Sennen

Elizabeth CARBENCE baptised 5 July 1767 Sennen

Mary CARBISS baptised 25 March 1770 Sennen

Grace CARBUS baptised 22 October 1775 Sennen


There may be other children between Jane, 1759, and Elizabeth, 1767, but I have not found any (yet!).
I had also not found a record of marriage for Jane and Edward but going by the date of baptism for their first child, Jane, I estimated 1755 to 1759. On Monday I discovered this marriage on the West Penwith Resources site that I think is a strong possibility as it is "just down the road" at St Levan........(How I missed it before I do not know )

St. Levan

21 August 1756, Edward CARBENS Husbandman and Jane THOMAS.

Have not found Jane Thomas's baptism in St Levan but there are a number of Jane Thomas baptised in the area from the late 1720's to about 1740 that are possibles. I know Jane died sometime between 1775 after the birth of Grace, and 8 December 1792 when Edward married his second wife, Beaten GREEN of St Buryan..... Still have not found the record for his first wife, Jane's, burial.

Edward CARBIS I have down as born around 1732 from his record of burial, 9 October 1821 Sennen, which gives his age as 89 years. Have identified only one baptism as a possible from the records I have access to at the moment (Familysearch, Cornwall OPC, West Penwith Resources and the little they have on Ancestry)

Edward CARBENSE 6 March 1733 s/o Edward and Alice of Mawgan Meneage.

Edward must have been a sprightly fellow as at the time of his second marriage to Beaten GREEN he was about 60 years old and she, a slip of a girl, not quite 30 .
They had 5 children -

Edward CARBIS baptised 3 November 1795 St Just in Penwith

Richard CARBIS baptised 15 September 1798 St Just in Penwith (died before 1800)

Richard CARBIS baptised 27 April 1800 St Just in Penwith Died May 1875 (my husbands line)

Jenefer CARBIS baptised 27 February 1803 St Just in Penwith

Elizabeth CARBIS baptised 14 September 1806 St Just in Penwith

After Edwards death in 1821 his second wife, Beaten/Beaton, went on to marry Walter GUY on 11 June 1826 at Sennen.

Now, after all that rambling, what am I wondering?

What do you think on the Edward Carbens/Jane Thomas marriage?
Any ideas on Jane Thomas baptism?
Anyone seen a record of burial for a Jane Carbis between 1775 and 1792?
Has anyone spotted another baptism for an Edward Carbis around the 1730's?
Did Jane and Edward have any other children between Jane in 1759 and Elizabeth in 1767 that I missed?
Does anyone connect up to or have info on any of the people above?

I'll shut up now

Best regards
HeatherC

[Cornish Terrier]

Hello Heather - posting a query for a change instead of usefule sites for others to utilise.

I have the marriage of Edward to Jane THOMAS in my database and reckon it must be the right one.

The children I have listed are:-

Jane bp. 29th July 1759 Sennen
Edward bp. 23rd June 1763 St Levan
Elizabeth bp. 5th July 1767 Sennen
Mary bp. 25th March 1770 Sennen
Susanna born 25th December 1772 and bp. 31st January 1773 Sennen
Grace bp. 22nd October 1775 Sennen

I have just had a look and cannot find a burial for Jane at Sennen, St Levan, St Buryan or Sancreed.

I don't have access to burials at St Just or Paul for that time period.

Problem is that we do not know where they were in the years between 1775 and 1792. Would expect them to have been around 'home' but ...

It is interesting that the name Edward CARBENS (var.) turns up at St Buryan in the latter part of the 1600's but then there seems to be a gap until about the marriage of Edward to Jane THOMAS in 1756.

A further interesting point is that at St Buryan the name does not appear (at least not in IGI) as CARBIS (var.) prior to 1800 where it seems to have always appeared as CARBENS (var.)

And a combination of both produced only 46 entries of the name in that Parish.

From what I can find so far it appears a good possibility that you have correctly identified the baptism of Edward.

I cannot be absolutely certain but it does look reasonable.

And He appears also to have been the son of an Edward who had first married an Alice!

Edward CARBENS m. Alice BOLITHO 7th January 1687 Mawgan in Meneage

Mary bp. 25th October 1688 Mawgan in Meneage

Alice CARBENS buried 17th March 1689 Mawgan in Meneage
Alice dau of Edward CARBENS buried 19th January 1691 Mawgan in Meneage

Edward CARBENS m. Mary GINNINS 21st June 1691 Mawgan in Meneage

Richard bp. 15th April 1694 Mawgan in Meneage
EDWARD born 17th September 1696 bp. 4th October Mawgan in Meneage

Edward CARBIS m. Alice MARK 12th June 1729 St Mary's, Truro

Richard son of Edward & Alice CARBENSE24th August 1729 Mawgan in Meneage
Loveday dau of Edward & Alice CARBENSE 30th May 1731 Mawgan in Meneage
Edward son of Edward & Alice CARBENSE 6th March 1733 Mawgan in Meneage
James son of Edward & Alice CARBENSE 29th August 1736 Mawgan in Meneage

That seems to be all the baptisms for Edward and Alice.

** I wanted to check beyond 1750 but unfortunately the transcriptions end there at the moment. **

Some of the following may or may not belong and, of course, there are others that are not of immediate interest.

William son of Edward CARBENSE buried 16th May 1722 Mawgan in Meneage (don't know about this one - it appears confusing in the PR.)
Edward CARBENSE buried 15th September 1730 Mawgan in Meneage
Mary CARBENSE buried 31st January 1736 Mawgan in Meneage
Edward CARBENSE buried 24th December 1737 Mawgan in
Meneage
Edward Carbense buried 4th September 1740 Mawgan in Meneage
Mary CARBENSE, widow, buried 30th November 1761 Mawgan in Meneage

What might be interesting would be to see if there is any possibility that others of this name found around Sennen and St Levan might possibly be children of Edward and Alice.

As a matter interest (presuming you have not already found it) Beaton GUY age 79 of Sancreed was buried at Sennen 24th February 1841.

See how you go with that little lot and get back with more 'ramblings' and I will be happy to see if I can help further.

And don't worry about 'shutting up' - if you don't speak up you don't get heard. ;D

And sometimes a little ramgling can turn up the most interesting thoughts and clues.

CT

[HeatherC]

Thanks for the reply Cornish Terrier
Rambling certainly clears my head... but I have been told I tend to muddle others in the process ;D

The more I look at it and consider, the more I am convinced that the Edward Carbens/Jane Thomas marriage is the one. If only I had that time machine to take me back so that I could confirm.

Brilliant the info on the other two children to Edward and Jane.... Had missed these two

Edward bp. 23rd June 1763 St Levan

Susanna born 25th December 1772 and bp. 31st January 1773 Sennen

I had also missed Beaten Guys burial at Sennen in 1841..... A big thank you for those three events

Have been looking through the Carbis records of Mawgan Meneage and had noticed some familiar recurring first names.... another reason for thinking that that Edward Carbense was my number one contender.

A lot more in your reply that I shall ponder on and research (should keep me occupied for a while)..... Then I shall be back for another ramble no doubt

Off to post something that may be of interest to Rob Oats now...... I'm sure it's Rob with the LUGG database??

Thanks again
Best regards
HeatherC

[Cornish Terrier]

Not a problem Heather.

I'm here to help and enjoy solving or helping to solve problems.

When you have studied all the information see what you think about it and post another note and we can see where to take things from there.

And as I said before - continue to ramble because you might just inadvertantly throw something in that may give us some further clues.

CT

[Mal]

Stop press.

I have just found
ELIZABETH JAMES GENDALL
m HENRY CARBIS 8 JULY 1820

ELIZA GENDALL d/o ROBERT GENDALL
m JOHN CARBIS
4 DEC 1837

Could be a possible connection with my lot on the Gendall side.
Not sure about Elizabeth James Gendall, first guess would be d/o James Gendall?

Any info on your tree?

[Mal]

PS both at Madron...

[Cornish Terrier]

Malcolm - as a starting point you may want to investigate the following marriage and it's offspring:-

Robert GENDAL of Penzance married Elizabeth JAMES of Penzance 9th January 1753 at Madon

It is a possibility that Elizabeth James GENDALL was named after her grandmother.

CT

[Mal]

Hi CT, if that is the case then we are dealing with a definite blood-link with my Mary Gendall who marries William Davies. I am looking into it, however there seem to be a lot of Gendal(l)/Gendel(l)s around Pz at the time.
Thanks!