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Post by Mal on Nov 13, 2008 5:34:42 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I am in a bit of a pickle with a Keigwin branch... I have Elizabeth Keigwin who marries Goerge Cotton 24th July 1748. Elizabeth d/o William Keigwin (b? c? d?) I have a marriage of William Keigwin to Mary Pearce 13th October 1705. Although this is a bit of guesswork, the only marriage of a William Keigwin with a chidl following the next year. Elizabeth b1718 has the following siblings Thomas 1706 Richard 1708 James 1711 Isabel 1714 Mary 1716 Jane 1722 William 1725 I am having no luck with William Keigwin senior's parentage. I have found a William Keigwin born 1870 to Thomas Keigwin and Mary but that would make William 35 at marriage and 60 at the birth of his last child, possible but seems a bit odd. There are three other Williams born at Paul (pres Mousehole) 1675-1679, 1675 William dies, leaving John Keigwin and Richard Keigwin as possible fathers.  The names on the sibling list all temptingly suggest the Keigwin family that I have found in the visitations but I am missing that missing link again!!! Why is it always a blimmin William that throw a spanner in the works? Any ideas? |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 13, 2008 10:48:46 GMT -5
Ideas? - Full of 'em! ;D From what I can tell I am pretty sure you have identified the correct Elizabeth KEIGWIN - so that would be a good start.  The fact that there appear to be only three children to George and Elizabeth (at least at Paul) also suggests the possibility of a 'late' marriage. But your problem with William KEIGWIN is certainly that - a problem! My inclination is to say that he was the son of Richard especially as the name John does not appear amongst his children. But if you thought you already had a problem then it is not over yet.  William bp. 9th December 1677 Paul s/o Richard William bp. 12th January 1678 Paul s/o Richard Now it could be argued that the first of these died.  BUT 20th April 1667 Richard KEIGWIN m. Ales HEW 29th November 1667 Richard KEIGWIN m. Philip PEARES We have a term for that over here in Oz - BUGGER! I think this is a case of requiring some Wills unfortunately - and I do not have any for this family. Another problem involved here is that most baptisms at Paul during this early period did not make any mention of the name of the mother. Some serious thinking to be done.  |
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Post by Mal on Nov 13, 2008 14:50:45 GMT -5
Aha!!! I think we may have come across something here. You have Richard Keigwin and Philippa Peares 1667, I have William marryine Mary Pearce in 1707. Given our ancestors' propensity for intermarriage this could be a clue... Not much of a clue I admit but the "cousin" factor has helped work out other lines previously. Need to find out a bit more about Mary Pearce's background and see if it relates to Phillippa Peares. It would be a strong indication.
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Post by newlyn on Nov 13, 2008 16:20:09 GMT -5
In the 1891 census my relative John Trenoweth was the Innkeeper of the Keigwin Arms.
A bit of useless information for you!!
Newlyn
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 13, 2008 18:06:24 GMT -5
Got to a few pubs in West Penwith but did not manage the Keigwin Arms. I tried hard to get to as many as I could but just failed.  Must admit that I did visit a few of them more than once ..... well .... quite often ..... well, um, I was on first name terms with a landlord or three anyway. Malcolm - I see your thinking there and it is worth pursuing but you might also want to check the relationship between the two Richards as well. IGI records only 196 baptisms at Paul which is not really a lot when you consider the time period of about 1601 to 1812. Here would be probably the two prime candidates to have been involved in those marriages:- Richard bp. 3rd November 1636 s/o Thomas Richard bp. 20th August 1643 s/o Nicholas Possibilities for the fathers:- Thomas bp. 29th July 1603 s/o Marten Nicholas bp. 17th July 1598 s/o Martin Must consider that either could have been born/baptised outside of Paul but if these are those whom we seek then it would mean that the two Richards were first cousins. Thomas Keigwin married Margeret 14th September 1632 Cannot find marriages for Nicholas or Martin although IGI has the following for Martin:- Martin Keigwin Pedigree Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 1564 Mousehole, Cornwall, England Christening: Death: Before SEP 1632 Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: Elizabeth Family Marriage: 1598 , Cornwall, England See what you can do with that lot and I will get back to it for another look around. Had the family on the agenda a few years back but did not pursue it so might as well do a bit while we are discussing it.  |
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Post by Mal on Nov 13, 2008 19:13:28 GMT -5
Thanks pal, in the meantime I have discovered a few tantalising clues, pity they all had the blimmin same names Richard (b1708) s/o William marries Honour Pearce Jane (b1722) d/o William marries George Richards William (b1725) s/o William marries Elizabeth Willis (name crops up in 1600's Keigwin Pedigree) Mary (b1716) d/o William either marries Benjamin Keigwin, son of Martin Keigwin (most possible) or Digory Haniforth. Martin Keigwin in turn married Mary Keigwin 1686 Paul I am not sure whether these be coincidences, cases of inserting a Mrs "Surname", i.e. the husband's in the marriage record, or that this is the most interrelated family I have ever come across. I also have, on a different line, Elizabeth Harry (b c 1768) d/o William Harry and Elizabeth Carvosoe William born 1739 s/o John Harry and Elizabeth Carvosoe !!!!! I can't find much on these last two, but staying in Paul... John Harry may well have been the son of John Harry and .... wait for it.... Elizabeth KEIGWIN !!! AAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! Why couldn't they choose more than half a dozen names between them, and why couldn't they do us the favour of recording the mother's maiden names!!!! At this rate I am going to have all of four people at the top of my tree!!! The Carvosoe line is very tenuous, using IGI, OPC and Phillimores!!! I just can't seem to find the wills like you can!!! Anyway, more strong hints at least at the Keigwin-Pearce connection at least don't you think? |
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Post by Mal on Nov 13, 2008 19:15:48 GMT -5
PS Keigwin Arms is no longer a pub to my knowledge.... I remember it when it was and I remember my Grandfather saying that we were related to that family but he could not remember how!!! I must admit they had long memories if this were true and not a good old Mount's Bay yarn of which my family were rather adept!!! |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 14, 2008 8:09:59 GMT -5
Wills - not necessarily a case of my finding them but more of a situation where they have found me. Some Wills that I was interested in I had my cousin in Truro take a look at but they were more or less family specific. Others have been found online and then there is our Administrators Home Page which you can access via this site. She has currently 14 volumes of Abstracts on her site but, unfortunately, no Carvosso and no Keigwin. If you were to check right through you might find the names mentioned in a couple of other Wills but ... But if you have a look through the CRO site you might at least find out what Wills are available and be able to work from there. How about if you were to give me some detail of the actual known links to Keigwin and Carvosso with as much detail as you know. I could then take a look from a 'clean' point of view as it were with something solid and proven as my starting point. You can send that sort of stuff via PM or email if you like but, as I say, it might help if I were starting from scratch as my judgement is less likely to be clouded. Try that and let's see if I can turn anything up. CT |
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Post by Mal on Nov 14, 2008 9:07:02 GMT -5
Okay- will forward files a.s.a.p.!
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