Israel - An Interesting Observation

[Cornish Terrier]

Whilst doing some research on the Thomas Quick thread I had cause to look at Morvah PRs and the Quicks involved there and one name in particular caught my eye - ISRAEL.

Checking my database I have 26 Israel Quicks currently recorded of which there are only 4 that I can say I am unsure of.

Every one of the others traces directly back in the male line to Francis Quick and Elizabeth Randall.

The inference therefore is that those I am unsure of will also be direct descendants of Francis.

The earliest Israel Quick that I am aware of was the son of Francis and Elizabeth who would have been born about 1644.

Israel was named in the Rosewall Deposition of 1680 as 'Israell Quicke of Morvah, age 36'.

It is my opinion that Israel was named after the brother-in-law of Francis Quick - Israel Michell - wife of Francis' sister Phillipa.
Israel Michell is reported to have died at the Battle of Taunton in 1645.

Those Israels I am uncertain of:-

Israel Quick of Towednack married Mary Ann Vine in Victoria, Australia in 1882 - so long as he remained in Victoria I should be able to trace him.

Israel Quick born about 1848 at Plymstock, Devon, son of Paul Quick and Mary Jane Baker.
Paul was born 'about' 1817 and variously gives his birthplace in the Census as St Ives, Penzance or 'foreign parts'.

Israel Quick, mariner of 'HMS New York' - in 1710 Administration of his estate was granted to his father 'Jacob' Quick.
'Jacob' is undoubtedly James and I now think it reasonable to conclude that Israel was the grandson of Francis Quick.

Israel Quick baptised a daughter, Elizabeth, at Morvah 22nd June 1691 and I am in two minds about him.

Israel son of Francis and Elizabeth had three 'known' children - Francis buried 1668/9 at Towednack
John baptised 1673 at Towednack
Mary baptised 1676/7 at Towednack

With a fourteen-year gap between Mary and the baptism of Elizabeth at Morvah in 1691 the question is - are we dealing with the same Israel Quick or is this later man a son of Israel?

And now I need to see if any of this has helped me with the other Quick problems I am working on.

[Cornish Terrier]

A couple of brief comments about Israel Quick.

He was born about 1644 (ref. 1680 Rosewall Deposition - age 36)

Son Francis buried at Towednack 26th December 1668
Son John baptised at Towednack 8th December 1673
Daughter Mary baptised at Towednack 29th January 1676

In 1680 Israel is named as being 'of Morvah'.

Elizabeth, daughter of Israel Quick, baptised 22nd June 1691 at Morvah
Elizabeth daughter of Israel Quick buried 1691 at St Ives

Was this the same Israel Quick or was he perhaps a son of Israel?

On available evidence it must be considered that it was the same Israel.

But just how many children did Israel have and how many survived?
Omitting the later Elizabeth for the moment I would suggest there were certainly more than the three for whom we have documented evidence and the wording in the Will of his father Francis gives a clue to that.

In making his bequests Francis Quick mentions 'each of Israel Quick's children' which certainly indicates 2 or more.

But the interesting point is the next bequest to children of his son Matthew - 'son Matthew Quick's three children' followed by a further bequest to Francis son of Matthew.

Why merely mention 'children' in regards to Israel and then specify that Matthew has 'three children'?

I omitted Elizabeth from this because Francis died two years before she was born.

Comments and additions welcome and I will discuss the Will of Francis Quick further in the Thomas Quick Thread where it has some relevance to the current scenario.

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CT

Referring to the Israel Quick you mention who was from HMS New York. I can read the words New York at the botton of the Admon but I can't make them all out.

If he was the grandson of Francis, and James was his father, do you have a family for this James?

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Sorry mate but what you see is pretty much what you get.

I only knew of this Israel from an abstract of the Admon. given to me years ago.

Admon. granted to his father Jacob (Jacobus?) - which is James- and there is no other James Quick it could be other than son of Francis as far as I have been able to tell.

And as every other Israel Quick we seem to know of can be traced directly back to Francis it would be most unusual to have a 'one off' Israel in some other part of the clan.

It just would not fit.

All I can give you right now but will think more on it.

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CT

I have a copy of the Admon here in my possession and the more I look at it the more it looks to agree with what you have recorded - sometimes it helps to know what the words are supposed to represent.

The Admon was granted at Zennor on the 7th April 1710. The next part appears to be in Latin, with 'Israelis' clearly spelt along with Jacob Quick - opus patri - which if my schoolboy Latin serves me correctly, patri is from pater meaning father.

The next bit is in English and it appears to say - he dyed belonging to Her Maties Ship New York.

Followed by the mark of Jacob Quick.

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CT, Londoner

Back from Cornwall - just - took 45 hours to get home from the Penzance train station

Londoner, sorry I didn't get to catch up with you, I simply just ran out of time.

CT, we were having an in depth discussion some time ago concerning some Israel Quicks, and when I arrived home somebody has delivered two wills for me - Israel the younger, husband of Sally, and his father Israel, husband of Catherine.

The elder's is quite simple, 1/3 for son Paul, same for daughter Wilmot, and for both the abovementioned Paul and Wilmot to look after the other third for the children of their deceased brother, Israel the younger - after poor old Catherine passes away that is. By the way, Wilmot married Charles Richards in 1815 at Towednack.

It looks as though Israel the younger died intestate and the obligation is taken by Sally, the wife, but two carpenters - Robert Quick and John Richards are also named. Not too sure who this Robert would be at the mo.

[Cornish Terrier]

Welcome back mate - pity you did not have longer over there but ...... perhaps another trip some time.

Will give you time for a breather and to catch up on things and will get into some further discussion later on.

I'll also take another look at your brief note later today - best I get round to the fire station and check on some hoses.

CT