William Woolcock

[cornishmaid]

Although I have been quite successful finding the earlier Gulval line of Woolcocks, I'm still having a few problems with the later St Ives ones. If anyone can help with my latest stumbling block I would be most grateful

I'll start with what I do "know". William Woolcock married Sukey/Susan Hain Noall on the 4th quarter of 1880, in St Ives. William was born on 10 October 1832 in St Ives, he died 8 January 1906 and is buried in Barnoon Cemetary.

On William Woolcock's baptism his father is listed as WILLIAM Woolcock, and his mother as Charlotte. (His is the only baptism to this couple.)

Here is the anomoly... a MATTHEW Woolcock married a Charlotte Sandow on 11 July 1832. Charlotte died in June 1835.

Straight away I thought that there must be a William and a Matthew who both married a Charlotte, but.. the William Woolcock born 1832 is with grandparents William and Candace SANDOW in 1841. He is still with them in 1851 listed as grandson. I cannot find him for definite in 1861 or 1871; in 1881 he is with his wife Susan/Sukey (nee Noall).

So, was William Woolcock born 1832 the son of William or Matthew Woolcock? Did his father die before the 1841 census, or did he remarry? There is a marriage of a Matthew Woolcock to a Mary Fry in 1837, with Matthew's father listed as John Woolcock, Tailor; however, I cannot find a Matthew Woolcock baptised to a John Woolcock.

Any help with this would be much appreciated.

[Cornish Terrier]

Another problem I have seen numerous times.

I think you will find that Matthew was actually the father of William.

I have seen many times where details in the Baptism Register were entered mistakenly and often the name of the child has been entered as that of the parent.

As for Matthew being son of John:-

Matthew Woolcick bp. 6th January 1807 at Phillack s/o JOHN and Mary

I think this will be who you are looking for.

And the Matthew who married Mary Fry in 1837 was a widower so I would say he is certainly the man who married Charlotte Sandow and, therefore, the father of your William as I mentioned above.

I have some data on Woolcocks from the St Erth and, I think, Phillack area in my database but I have not pursued it and do not know what connections there might be to St Ives other than residence.

Just a little more.

2nd May 1795 at Perranuthnoe John WOOLCOCK, sojourner, tailor married Mary SYMONS

I have not yet checked Phillack PRs but this looks a good possibility.

[Cornish Terrier]

The only other marriage for a John Woolcock to a Mary was in 1806 at Madron but this fellow was a widower.

I cannot check this any further at the moment because I am having problems with Internet Explorer and can't open the required PR files.

Will try and sort the problem out and check more details later.

It 'may' be the same John or may not but there could be links in any case to the Gulval family.

Perranuthnoe is right by St Hilary which is where part of the earlier Woolcock family went from Gulval.

More later.

[cornishmaid]

Thank you, that all looks good

The marriage you mentioned, ie:
2nd May 1795 at Perranuthnoe John WOOLCOCK, sojourner, tailor married Mary SYMONSwould fit in with the baptisms in Phillack which occurred between 1796 and 1807, especially as they kindly called a son Nicholas SYMONS Woolcock

I don't know about the other marriage of a John Woolcock to Mary Osborne in Madron on 15 February 1806. I'll try to find the burial of Mary Woolcock (nee Symons) which might help. There is a burial of a John Woolcock in Phillack on 25 January 1829. He is aged 63, and listed as "of St Ives", which is a good possibility for the John who married Mary Symons. Will investigate further

[Cornish Terrier]

That burial does look promising - it puts John's birth at about 1765/6 which would make him about 5 years older than Mary who was baptised at Perranuthnoe 16th April 1770 according to the IGI.

And perhaps something more that might help.

Here are the children I found for John and Mary (all at Phillack):-

James bp. 10th February 1796
Nicholas Symons bp. 26th November 1796
Thomas bp. 10th November 1801
William bp. 14th August 1803
Matthew bp. 6th January 1807

And now take a look at a couple of burials:-

19th April 1825 Thomas Woolcock age 24 of Bodriggy
8th October 1828 William Woolcock age 25 of St Ives
25th January 1829 John Woolcick age 63 of St Ives **

No sign of a burial for Mary as far as 1864.

There is a Mary Nicholas, 70, living at St Ives in 1841 with a Nicholas Woolcock age 20.

This could be Mary Symons but Nicholas would have to be a grandson.
Cannot find her in 1851 so she is obviously deceased by then.

[cornishmaid]

Did you notice that none of the children of John Woolcock, Tailor, and Mary Symons, were called after their father?

Here may be the reason why. A marriage took place in St Hilary on 8 May 1790 of a John Woolcock, of Phillack, Tailor, & Elizabeth Rosewarne. On 1793 a John Woolcock was baptised in Phillack, son of John & Elizabeth.

Unfortunately, as yet, I cannot find the death of Elizabeth between 1790 and 1795

I also found a James Woolcock, age 51, Widower, with daughter Mary Symons Woolcock, age 23, living in Meneage Street, Helston, in the 1871 census. The age of James Woolcock ties in with that of the son of John Woolcock and Mary Symons, but the census says he was born in Helston, not Phillack.

[cornishmaid]

Another snippet just found on the CRO online catalogue :

AD894 Basset Family of Tehidy
AD894/1 Ecclesiastical parish, Basset Family of Tehidy
RefNo AD894/1/53
Title Settlement examination, John Woolcock, Phillack
Date 7 Aug 1794 - Manuscript - 1 piece
Description John Woolcock, aged 28 years, now residing in Phillack. Born in Gwinear; at 12 or 13 he was apprenticed to Samuel Johns of Gwinear for 5 years to learn the trade of a tailor; then employed in journey work at various places; 4 years ago he came to Phillack; resides with his daughter Amelia aged 3 years and his son John aged 9 months.

Looks like John Woolcock and Elizabeth Rosewarne had another child, Amelia. Maybe I should be looking for Elizabeth's death in Gwinear instead of Phillack

Now, I know there is not a stupid question, only a stupid answer but... what is a "tithe settlement examination"

PS: Have just looked at the Gwinear OPC site, and found the following burial which looks like the Elizabeth Woolcock I seek:
1793 - Elizabeth WOOLCOCK, 28yo, brought from Phillack, Partu - 23Nov

Another question... What does "Partu" mean John was baptised in October 1793, so I'm guessing her death was related to his birth?

[Cornish Terrier]

That is all fitting in with a few things I looked at and one of those was that the most likely John Woolcock, by age, was baptised at Gwinear as far as I could find.
I did not want to through him into the mix until I had satisfied myself there was no other option.

Tithe - (From Collins English Dictionary) - a tenth part; orig. the tenth part of the produce of land and cattle allotted to the upkeep of the Church and the clergy, later paid in form of a tax; a small portion.

There are better descriptions as to their use but I will have to check other books.

And it looks like Elizabeth Woolcock may have died as a result of problems with childbirth.
Another one from the Collins English Dictionary:-

Parturient: a. bringing forth or about to bring forth young; prolific. -- parturition n. the act of bringing forth young; childbirth (L. parturire, to be in labour).

Will take another look at the problem based on this latest information and see where it leads.

CT