Woolcock Family

[amyjopet]

Looking for more info on my ggg grandmother Johanna Woolcock Davis.

She was born March 31, 1819 St. Ives, Cornwall England
and died March 30, 1897 St. Ives, Cornwall England.
All I have on her parents names is her father's:
Anthony Woolcock.

She married on August 25, 1839 St. Ives
to William Davis son of Robert Davis and Elizabeth Harry.

Any info is appreciated!

[Cornish Terrier]

Amy - this could just be your lucky day. ;D

I reckon I have found the answers (or a few of them anyway) for you.

Method:-

I originally found Johannah's marriage details in the St Ives Online Parish Registers where she indicated a birthdate of about 1818 and nominated her father as Anthony Woolcock, fisherman.

I tried to find the family in the 1841 Census but have not been able to find them.
However, undeterred I decided to search through the St Ives marriages again to see if I could find any more children of Anthony.

Margery Noall Woolcock married John Mann at St Ives 8th November 1846

Peter Woolcock married Fanny Veal at St Ives 19th June 1853

Mary Ann Woolcock married Robert Smith at St Ives 6th June 1854

Anthony Woolcock married Mary Crichley Stevens at St Ives 15th August 1861

All were children of Anthony Woolcock, fisherman.

1851 Census

Teetotal Row, St Ives

Anthony Woolcock, head, mar, 58, fisherman, ST IVES
Margery do., wife, mar, 57, St Ives
Peter do., son, unm, 27, fisherman, St Ives

1861 Census

Bunks(?), St Ives

Anthony WOOLCOCK, head, mar, 68, fisherman, MARAZION
Margaret do., wife, mar, 66, St Ives
Anthony do., son, unm, 25, fisherman, St Ives

I cannot find Anthony or Margery/Margaret in the 1871 Census.
Found sons Peter and Anthony but have not noted those details just yet as I will likely find a few of them in the Baptism Register.

The 1851 Census was able to tell me a couple of things.
1. that I had found the right family because they wer in Teetotal Row and daughter Mary Ann was of Teetotal Row when she married. And also Anthony Woolcock men were not exactly falling off trees.
2. I believe I now know the name of Anthony's wife MARGERY NOALL.

The only one remotely close in IGI is:-

Margery NOALE bp. 25th August 1795 St Ives d/o Philip

From here I can, so far, get nowhere as there is no marriage for Philip any closer then 1766 and there are no other children for Philip remotely close.
However, we can pursue that problem later.

The next bit of news is about Anthony.

In the 1851 Census Anthony's birthplace was recorded as St Ives.

In the 1861 Census his birthplace is now MARAZION.

IGI shows only six entries for Anthony Woolcock but the good news is that I reckon they show the one we are after.

Remember that Marazion is/was basically part of St Hilary Parish.

Anthony Couch WOOLCOCK bp. 15th July 1792 at St Hilary son of Peter and Ann

;D ;D

From Phillimore & Taylor

Peter WOOLCOCK, mariner, m. Anne COUCH 20th January 1785 at St Hilary

The list of children for Peter and Anne now looks like this:-

Ann bp. 4th December 1785 at St Ives
Peter bp. 20th April 1788 at St Ives
Anthony bp. 15th July 1792 at St Hilary
Joanna bp. 14th February 1796 at St Hilary

There may be others but I have not yet found them.

I hope you have plenty of time on your hands because I think you are going to need it. ;D

Will finish this note off now and have a break for a little while and then I will pursue it a bit more and post my further findings.

REMEMBER - everything here, and in the following, will need verification from sources more reliable than IGI but I think you will find the bulk of it will be 'just fine'.

[Cornish Terrier]

Herewith Part 2 which is basically a direct line of descent to Anthony and his sons:-

Petrus WOOLLCOCK bp. 6th August 1767 Gulval s/o Peter
m. 17th July 1703 Gulval
Agnes HARRY

Hugo bn. 25th October 1703 bp. 5th November 1703 Gulval
PETER bn. 27th November 1704 bp. 9th December 104 Gulval
Richardus bp. 18th August 1706 Gulval
Olliver bp. 17th October 1714 Gulval

PETER (1704)
m. 10th October 1726 Gulval
Margaret TREVILER

PETER bp. 16th November 1728 Gulval
Margret bp. 7th March 1731 Gulval
Ann bp. 17th July 1733 Gulval
Hugh bp. 18th July 1736 Gulval
Edmund bp. 29th Jun 1744 Gulval

PETER (1728)
m. 14th August 1756 Gulval
Johanna JAGO

PETER bp. 20th February 1757 Gulval
William bp. 20th April 1760 St Hilary
Margaret bp. 21st August 1763 St Hilary
Edmund bp. 6th December 1767 St Hilary

PETER (1757)
m. 20th January 1785 St Hilary
Ann COUCH

Ann bp. 4th December 1785 St Ives
Peter bp. 20th April 1788 St Ives
ANTHONY bp. 15th July 1792 St Hilary
Joanna bp. 14th February 1796 St Hilary

ANTHONY (1792)
m. ?
Margery NOALL (Noale)

JOHANNAH bn. 31st March 1819 St Ives
Margery Noall bn. 11th September 1821 bp. 27th September 1821 St Ives Sion Chapel-Lady Huntingdon
Peter bp. 27th February 1824 St Ives
Mary Ann bn. c. 1830 St Ives
Anthony bn. c. 1834 St Ives

I can fill in further details on Johanna's siblings at a later date but I think this should be enough to keep you going for a while. ;D

Have Fun

Ian

[amyjopet]

Thank you Ian!!

Much appreciated!!

[cornishmaid]

Thank you also from me Ian

I have a couple of extra pieces of info:

Anthony Couch Woolcock/Woollcock married Margery Noall at St Ives on 26 December 1818.

Their daughter Mary Ann was baptised 30 September 1831 in St Ives, and Anthony her father is listed as "Mariner".

You know what this means don't you? My Woolcocks, Tanners, Sniggs, Davis' and Noalls are even more inter-connected than before

[Cornish Terrier]

Glad to be of help.

But are you able to tell me any more about Margery Noall.

All I have been able to find is the 1795 baptism and I have not been able to find any more children for this Philip and nor have I found a marriage for him.

Ooops - just found a problem with some of my information.

The baptism date for Margery Noale d/o Philip is 1695

But I need only be a little bit embarrassed after checking further.

IGI HAS THIS BAPTISM ENTERED TWICE - once with the year (which I initially found) as 1795 and another showing it as 1695

This also explains why there was no mother's name recorded.

The entry that shows the year of birth as 1795 uses the following Batch No:-

C023292 which usesa date range of 1675-1713

I have now amended my database and I apologise for not having checked this more thoroughly a little earlier.

Looks like I am back to square one in trying to work out who Margery was.

[Cornish Terrier]

A further thought on Margery Noall.

I cannot find any record of a baptism for a Margery Noall anywhere near 1795.
IGI coverage for St Ives is pretty comprehensive, particularly for the time-period in question, although it is possible entries have been missed or just have not been there.

But there may be another solution to the problem.

Is it possible that Margery was a widow when she married Anthony Woolcock.

[Cornish Terrier]

And something more just to keep you amused.

St Ives Marriages

16th January 1888 by Banns
Anthony COUCH (s/o Anthony)
m.
Padgey Noall SMITH

She was the daughter of Robert SMITH and Mary Ann WOOLCOCK.

Mary Ann was the daughter of Anthony WOOLCOCK and Margery NOALL.

As per my previous notes Anthony WOOLCOCK's mother was Ann COUCH who is almost certainly the girl baptised at St Ives in 1755 d/o Anthony and Ann COUCH.

The Anthony COUCH at the top of this note I believe will follow this lineage back:-

Anthony born St Ives c. 1862

Anthony born St Ives c. 1836
m. Mary Ann MANKEY 1856 St Ives

Anthony bp. 4th January 1811 St Ives
m. Charlotte c. 1835

Anthony bp. 15th October 1778 St Ives
m. Mary PRAED

Anthony bp. 9th July 1749 St Ives
m. Ann BRYANT 20th June 1774 St Ives

ANTHONY COUCH b. 26th December 1722 St Ives
m. ANN unknown c. 1746

Anthony (probably bp. 1684 St Ives s/o Charles Couch)
m. 10th October 1708 St Ives
Triphena OATS

It does not seem to be until about the 1830's before anyone but an Anthony named a son of that name again.

[cornishmaid]

Amused?

Have been looking for the elusive Margery Noall. I found the family on the 1841 census, but instead of sheep we have pigeons:

Book 5, Folio 26, page 17 - Living at Back Road were:
Margery WOODCOCK 42 b. In County
Margary WOODCOCK 19 b. In County
Mary WOODCOCK 9 b. In County
Anthony WOODCOCK 4 b. in County

This would make Margery's birth at approx. 1799; the 1851 census you found would mean an approx birth year of 1794; and the 1861 would make a birth year of c. 1795.

I am more inclined to go with the 1851 and 1861 census returns, as these both put her birth at around 1794/95. The closest I can find to this in St Ives is:

Padgey Noale, daughter of Peter & Mary, bapt. 1 November 1793

(Also baptised to Peter and Mary Noale was a Margaret Noale, baptised on 3 September 1786. Their other children were Elizabeth, Philip, Ann, Catherine, Jane, Peter and Mary... just in case this helps at all.)
I believe this couple to be Peter Noall and Mary Harry who married in St Ives on 04 Aug 1774. (I think we talked about this couple whilst trying to sort out the Clarinda Trewhella Noall problem?)

Both of the names Peter and Mary are used by Anthony Woolcock and Margery Noall for their children although, as you found, the name Peter is also to be found on the Woolcock side.

Any good

The name Padgey crops up again with the marriage you mention on 16th January 1888 by Banns
Anthony COUCH (s/o Anthony) & Padgey Noall SMITH
And with the baptism of their daughter:
2 Apr 1890 Margery Noall c/o Anthony (Mariner) & Padgey Noall Couch of Norway Lane b. 8 Mar

[Cornish Terrier]

Yep - I think you have them.

Padgey, I think you will find, was a fairly commonly used name in some families as another name for Margery and sometimes Margaret so the link is definitely there.

Much like Peggy being used for Margaret.

[cornishmaid]

I have been working through this family, and just have a little query. (Still haven't worked out the quote box, so have copied what you put above . )

Petrus WOOLLCOCK bp. 6th August 1767 Gulval s/o Peter
m. 17th July 1703 Gulval
Agnes HARRY

Hugo bn. 25th October 1703 bp. 5th November 1703 Gulval
PETER bn. 27th November 1704 bp. 9th December 104 Gulval
Richardus bp. 18th August 1706 Gulval
Olliver bp. 17th October 1714 Gulval

The Petrus Woolcock you have bapt. 1767. Would this be 1667? Also, I had a look on the IGI and they have Peter, bn. 27 November 1704 and bapt. 9 December 1904, with father of "Hugonis Woolcock". (Hugo and Richardus are attributed to "Petri Woolcock".)

[Cornish Terrier]

Sorry about that, Chief!

The date should be 6th August 1676.

Oh, dear! - two days and two mistakes.

You are quite right and I have no idea how I managed to mess that up.

AND looking at IGI again Peter (Petrus) bp. 1676 was s/o JOHN.

Really don't know how I got myself confused there - but it does seem that I did it really easily.

I will go through it now and correct my database.

[cornishmaid]

;D

Just one more lil enquiry...

Do you think I am right in saying then that the Peter Woolcock that married Susannah Hart on 24 August 1854, was the son of Peter Woolcock and Anne Couch? This was Peter's 2nd marriage and Susannah's third marriage, and the census returns put Peter Woolcock's year of birth at around 1790. The son of Peter Woolcock and Ann Couch was baptised in 1788. The marriage certificate gives Peter Woolcock's father as Peter Woolcock, Fisherman. I don't know who his first marriage was to as yet.

[Cornish Terrier]

I would be inclined to think so based on what information I have at the moment.
However he would have been about 66 at the time of that marriage.

Not sure if the information is included in your other notes but would appreciate details of those multiple marriages please.
(i.e. Peter and Susanna)

In the 1841 Census Peter is at Norway, St Ives with wife ELIZABETH (age about 50) and son Peter, 20.

The son married Susannah Eddy at St Ives 29th August 1841.

In 1851 Peter and Elizabeth are both still at Norway and are now both aged 63.
Son Peter is at Fore Street with his wife and children and gives his age as 34 - so born about 1816/17 which might help locate his parents marriage.

What may interest you with the younger Peter is his servant.
(Bear in mind that Susannah Eddy was a spinster when she married Peter.)

The servant is Peter's 'sister-in-law' Mary A SNEGG, age 18.

Now here is something else interesting - Peter and Susan have a new addition to the family Elizabeth QUICK Woolcock born 1853.

Don't know which side of the family that might come from.

Also enumerated with Peter and Susan is the elder Peter (1788) but without his wife who is with her daughter Mary Ann Tanner and her family.

Looks like Peter snr died in the December Qtr of 1863.
His son Peter died in 1906 age 89.

All for now - had best get some sleep.

BTW - was looking through some more of the Woolcock stuff at Gulval and found another interesting anomaly in IGI.

Johannes WOLCOCKE m. Maria TREGERTHEN 5th November 1626

Johannes WOOLLCOCK m. Maria TREGERTHEN 5th November 1700

Perhaps a little strange.

[cornishmaid]

Found a quick solution for you

On 7 October 1813 at St Ives, Peter Woolcock married Elizabeth QUICK

This must be the first marriage of Peter Woolcock who subsequently married Susannah Hart (and yes his son married Susannah's daughter by her first marriage to Matthew Eddy).

Susannah married 1. Matthew Eddy, 2. William Snigg, then (whilst both in their dotage) 3. Peter Woolcock. I think these marriages are outlined in the Snigg thread, but just in case here they are:

Matthew Eddy 16 November 1812 (Children: Susan, Eliza & William)
William Snigg 10 April 1832 (Child: Mary Ann Snigg)
Peter Woolcock 24 August 1854 (No children)

Am now trying to sort out my database with all the various inter relationships