Andrew Quick of Chyangweal

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Hello Ian

I have been checking some of my data and I have been looking at the family of Andrew Quick and his wife Margaret who were living at Lelant - marriage date unknown.

Then I noted that I have entered Andrew, the husband of Honour THOMAS as the son of Andrew Quick and Mary OSBORN. The second child of Andrew and Honour was named Margaret - maybe unusual?

So I went back and looked at the IGI for children of Andrew and Margaret and found three - John, Thomas and Margaret - no Andrew, suggesting that Andrew and Honour were definitely in the right place. However, according to the will of Andrew (1745), husband of Margaret, there were a few more children - the will mentions Thomas, William, Andrew and John.

So, given that Andrew and Honour Thomas were married in Uny Lelant in 1745, is it likely that they have been assigned to the wrong family?

Appreciate your thoughts

Allen

[Cornish Terrier]

I also have the Andrews linked as you do but I have a note attached to Andrew (Mary Osborn) indicating that he might actually belong to Andrew and Margaret.

Forget the additional children to Andrew and Margaret just for a moment.
To John (1716), Thomas (1720) and Margaret (1722) you can add Ann (1730 St Ives).

Now, YOU have ME at a disadvantage as I don't think I even knew about the Will of Andrew in 1745.

So I hereby request as much details as you can dig out of it as soon as you can manage it - please.

But now let's take a look through another Will and see what it might tell us.

To what I refer is the Oblig. Note and Will for the Estate of Andrew Quick, husband of Mary Osborn dated January 1747.

No need for me to get too excited about this as it tells us absolutely next to nothing.

The only person mentioned is his wife Mary who is named as 'universal legatee'.

No mention at all of any children.

There is only one thing I can see that 'might' be of some help but I have my doubts about that.

(Bear in mind that this is a typed Transcript so where a 'sign' is required the Transcriber has used a superscript character in its place.

The Will is signed by 'Mary Quick junr' and I remember reading it a few years ago and thought it must have been his daughter who was the Witness.

But now I don't think so.

It becomes more interesting when looking at the 'bondsmen' - Henry Major, Edward Jackson and Mary Quick.

When signing the Bond she also signed as 'Mary Quick junr'

The question now is - are we dealing with one Mary Quick or two.

I suspect now that Andrew and Mary may not have had children else they would surely (at least one of them) have been at least alluded to in the Will.

Was Margaret mentioned in the Will by any chance?

I know we have two Andrew Quicks available for one to have married Margaret and the other Mary but there is still another possibility - we may possibly have just the one Andrew involved and having married twice.

I do not know but will be looking forward to the details of that will to see if I can dig out any more clues.

On that note I will call it quits as I have been going for more than 24 hours and have to work tomorrow afternoon.

A quick check around over a cup of coffee and then it is off to the land of nod for this little black duck.

Ian

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Good evening Ian and all

The will for Andrew Quick of Uny Lelant was written on the 21st of April 1742 with Andrew supposedly in good health etc. The following is the order of the will:

I give and bequeath unto my son Thomas Quick, the sum of twenty pounds sterling to be paid to him in 12 months next after the death and decease of my now wife Margaret Quick.

I give and bequeath unto my son William Quick, the sum of twenty pounds sterling to be paid to him in 12 months next after the death and decease of my now wife Margaret Quick.

I give and bequeath unto my said loving wife Margaret Quick all that my Messuage Lands & Tenements with the appurtances in or called Chyangweal situated in the Parish of Uny Lelant aforesaid. To hold the same unto my said wife and her assigns for and during her natural life (in the case the Estator I now have therein shall so long continue). But my will and mind is and I do hereby declare that in case my said wife shall happen to marry with any other man after my decease that then and in such case the abovesaid premises(?) with the appurtances shall immediately after such intermarriage fall to my two sons Andrew Quick & John Quick and my farther will is that during such time as my said wife shall enjoy the Estate aforesaid she shall apply the profits thereof towards the payments of my just debts allowing thereout for maintenance.

I give and bequeath unto my said two sons Andrew Quick & John Quick all that my said Messuages Lands and Tenements in Chyangweal aforesaid with the appurtances to hold the same to them their ...... and assigns from and immediately after the death of my said wife or her intermarriage with any other man after my decease, but my will and mind is that I do hereby order that my said son John Quick shall pay unto my said son Andrew Quick the sum of ten pounds sterling within twleve months next after he shall be in possession of the Moiety of my Estate in Chyangweal aforesaid - phew!!

Joint executors were named as his wife Margaret and his sons John and Andrew.

The will was proved on the 22nd November 1745.

Looking through some burials for Lelant there are the following:
Margaret - 6th March 1729 - probably the daughter of Andrew
Margaret - 25th November 1753 - probably his wife.

Whaddayareckon??

[Cornish Terrier]

Hmmmm -

So Andrew mentions wife Margaret and sons Thomas, William, Andrew and John.
No mention of any daughters which seems to put Ann out on a limb.
Daughter Margaret had died in 1729/30 so she is out of the equation anyway.

But where does that leave us with the other Andrew I wonder.

Before delv in into this problem any further I do have one comment.

of my now wife Margaret Quick

An interesting and, perhaps, important phrase as 'most' times I have seen a wife described thus it meant that she was not the first wife of the Testator.

Have just had another check through IGI and have moved Ann back to the family of Ann and Mary.
Also did another check to see if I could find any record of Andrew and William as sons of Andrew and Margaret but found nothing.

I am wondering if the marriage and possibly baptisms of Andrew and William might have occurred at Towednack where we know there are problems with PRs between about 1712 and 1720.

Of course we need to ascertain some sort of order amongst the children in this family in order to determine possible birth dates.

IGI has the baptisms of John, Thomas and Margaret to Andrew and Margaret so combining this data with the Will it sems obvious that Thomas and William are the younger sons.

The problem is whether it was Thomas or William who was the youngest. Both received equal amounts from the Will but Thomas was named first.
If Thomas were the youngest then there is every chance that William was baptised in a Parish such as Towednack but if it were William who was the youngest then we should be able to find him.

On that basis I will place Thomas as the youngest son until further evidence is found.

It is similarly difficult to know which was the elder between Andrew and John but the last paragraph regarding the payment of money by John to Andrew is a possible indication that Andrew was the eldest so that is the order I will place them.

And, of course, you are going to ask me where this Andrew and the husband of Mary Osborn belong - aren't you.

Up until this point I have believed this Andrew (husband of Margaret) to have been the son of Anthony and Elizabeth (Randall) Quick.

The husband of Mary Osborn I think was the son of Matthew and Sarah (Major) Quick.

I am reasonably happy with the latter but this first Andrew being son of Anthony probably needs looking at.

Problem is that there are no other Andrew Quicks about during that period so it becomes a case of 'it must have been him'!

I am going to have to ponder over this for a while.

Now, you have produced details for two burials at Lelant so I must ask if you have more. (Not only for Quicks but for any family.)

Would appreciate details of all you have to add to my collection so that I have some more information to hand when I need it.

Will leave this one for the time being and have a think about the problem.

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CT

I only have some burials for QUICKs in lelant, but not really for any other family.

Margaret 6/3/1729 Lelant
Andrew 15/8/1742 Lelant
Margaret 25/11/1753 Lelant
Edward 2/4/1760 1760 Lelant
Thomas 30/5/1768 Lelant
John 11/5/1770Lelant
Andrew 21/9/1780 1780 Lelant
William 22/3/1790 1790 Lelant
Andrew 21/7/1792 1792 Lelant
Ann 29/11/1795 1795 Lelant
Thomas 20/6/1817 1817 Lelant Aged 2 years - born 1815??
William 20/12/1822 1822 Lelant Aged 4 years - born 1818??
Thomas 12/6/1823 1823 Lelant Aged 49 years - born 1774??
Margaret 23/1/1828 Lelant Aged 82 years
Matthew 7/3/1836 1836 Lelant Aged 62 years

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CT

I only have some burials for QUICKs in Lelant, but not really for any other family.

Margaret 6/3/1729 Lelant
Andrew 15/8/1742 Lelant
Margaret 25/11/1753 Lelant
Edward 2/4/1760 Lelant
Thomas 30/5/1768 Lelant
John 11/5/1770 Lelant
Andrew 21/9/1780 Lelant
William 22/3/1790 Lelant
Andrew 21/7/1792 Lelant
Ann 29/11/1795 Lelant
Thomas 20/6/1817 Lelant Aged 2 years
William 20/12/1822 Lelant Aged 4 years
Thomas 12/6/1823 Lelant Aged 49 years
Margaret 23/1/1828 Lelant Aged 82 years
Matthew 7/3/1836 Lelant Aged 62 years

Hope these are of some value

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Everything is of value me old china. ;D

Will take a quick look at them now before heading of to sleep.

Thanks mate - Ian

[Cornish Terrier]

Lelant Burials

Margaret 1729 - d/o Andrew and Margaret

Andrew 15/8/1742 - has to be the Testator of that same year

Margaret 1753 - Andrew's widow

Thomas 1817 - s/o Thomas and Grace (Johns) bp. Towednack 26th December 1815

William 1822 - s/o Thomas and Grace (Johns) bp. Towednack 3rd July 1818

Thomas 1823 - father of the above two and husband of Grace (bp. Ludgvan 8th August 1773 s/o Richard and Honour)

Margaret 1828 - of the Margarets in my database it would appear probable (only candidate) that this is the daughter of Andrew and Honour bp. St Ives 20th April 1747

Matthew 1836 - bp. 5th June 1774 Towednack s/o John and Elizabeth (Richards) m. 12th July 1800 Lelant Elizabeth Bennetts

The rest of these will require a little work.