Grandmother lost in Paul or Levan?

[mnauen]

I have a problem with my GGgran Catherine Jeffery nee Warren. In the 1851 census she said she was born in Paul and by her age then must have been born about 1814. I find no birth for a Catherine Warren in Paul. She married John Jeffery in 1838.
On her wedding cert. it says father William Warren. I think she was born 1814 in St Levan daughter of William Warren and Catherine Jose. but I have cannot prove this. All of John and Catherine's children had names from the Jeffery side. All of these people were farmers.
Miriam Nauenburg (mnauen)

[cornishmaid]

Did a bit of research.

The only baptism of a Catherine Warren is in St Levan on 13 December 1813, father William Warren and mother Catherine. And the only marriage I can find for the parents in the right time period is William Warren and Catherine Jose, married 18 August 1805 at St Levan. Did Catherine have a brother Henry bapt 2 March 1806, and a sister Sally bapt 17 January 1808, by the way?

The middle name "Maddern" given to some of the children obviously comes from John Jeffery's mother, Ann Maddern, which is no help on corroborating information on Catherine Warren's parents .

I searched the Family History Society's records, the LDS and Genuki for Paul and St Levan parishes, and I would definitely say I would concur with your findings!

For further "evidence" these findings are correct the next step may be to try and find a Will?

[Cornish Terrier]

I believe I can add a little to this.

William WARREN m. Catherine JOSE at St Levan 18th August 1805
(Catherine bp. 5th February 1781 at St Levan d/o Henry JOSE and Mary (nee ROWE).

Henry bp. 2nd March 1806 St Levan s/o William Warren and Catherine
Sally bp. 17th January 1808 St Levan d/o William Warren and Catherine

CATHARINE bp. 13th December 1813 St Levan d/o William Warren (Husbandman) and Catherine OF PAUL

I would suggest Catherine may have been born at Paul but was taken back to St Levan for baptism.

One question arises here after a search of IGI for Paul Baptisms:-

Where does Phillip JEFFERY belong as it appears he was not baptised at Paul.

Have only found three children for Phillip and Ann Jeffery so far.

John bp. 19th May 1811 at Paul (IGI)
William Paddy bp. 31st October 1813 at Paul (IGI)
Philip bp. 10th November 1820 at Paul (IGI)

William Paddy Jeffery was buried at Paul 16th December 1871, age 58, of St Buryan (Paul Online Parish Register)

Best I can do for now, although I could probably find more on William Paddy Jeffery as I think I spotted a baptism or two at Paul attributed to him.

As for children of John and Catherine :-

John Maddern bp. 15th August 1839 at Paul (IGI)
(bur. Paul 2nd September 1840, age 1, of Kenyel)
Ann Maddern bp. 23rd May 1841 at Paul (IGI)
John bp. 26th June 1842 at Paul (IGI)
(bur. Paul 26th August 1868, age 26, of Tresvenack)
Catherine bp. 26th May 1844 at Paul (Paul OPR)
Elizabeth Warren bp. 14th December 1845 at Paul (Paul OPR)

Let me know if you require the further information on William Paddy Jeffery and I will pursue it.

Hope this helps.

[mnauen]

Thank you all for coming to the same conclusion as I did. Of the 5 children of John & Catherine only the two girl survived. Ann married Henry James in 1865 in Kerris and they farmed at Treveneth in Paul I am descended from one of their sons John Jeffery James who came to Australia. Anne died 1921 in Paul. Elizabeth Warren Jeffery married Charles Warren in 1882 and they farmed at Trungle Moor. Elizabeth died 1909.
Again thanks,
Miriam Nauenburg

[mnauen]

I have just checked my research papers. William Warren and wife Catherine Jose had 5 children. Henry b. 1806, Sally b. 1808, William b, 1811, Catherine b, 1813 and John b, 1814 all born St Levan. I think Henry m. Jane Maddern 1833 Paul and William m. Elizabeth Adams abt 1832.
Strangle John Jeffery was a Dairy man in 1841 at Tresvennack, 1851 "Rosehill" Farm but in 1861 at Trendrennen in St Levan.
Miriam N.

[Cornish Terrier]

You are most welcome Miriam.
I will try to look further into this in the coming days, given a chance, but please let me know if there is anything more specific I may be able to help with.

[mnauen]

I have now sorted out my GG Gran Catherine Jeffery nee Warren. Her mother was Catherine Jose which took me to St Levan. All of the Jose family in St levan fit into two families descending from two men who I think must have been brothers though I cant find a father for them there. As Edward was baptised 1675 and Thomas 1676 I don't think I would be able to find their ancestors. I am now going to the St Just board to chase up Warrens!!!!! Miriam N.

[Cornish Terrier]

Miriam - have just searched Census and some other records and have found most of the family of John and Catherine Jeffery.

I believe John was buried at Paul 16th October 1883, age 72, of Kerris.

I cannot yet find a burial for wife Catherine and nor can I find a burial for daughter Catherine although both appeared in the 1881 Census.

Also have not been able, so far, to find the marriage of Charles Warren to daughter Elizabeth so would appreciate some help here.

Will await further before pursuing this but I believe we probably need to try and look at the JOSE side of things.

[mnauen]

I'm Sorry. I made a boo boo. Elizabeth Warren Jeffery Married Charles Chirgwin not Warren ( Too many Warren's in my head lately) They married 2 May 1872 I think. In the 1881 Charles 51 Ag Lab, employed, Elizabeth 45, Thomas 6, John 3 and Richard 4 months. Also a Thomas Warren, Uncle 87 Farmer from Sennen was living with them at Trungle Moor.
Miriam N

[mnauen]

Disregard some of the dates in the previous message. I just checked in Brothers Keeper and Elizabeth Warren Jeffery married Charles Chirgwin 2 May 1882. The children were born Thomas in 1884 John in 1888 and Richard in 1890 died 1891 so it must have been the 1891 census. Richard died in WW1. I have a photo of "Aunty Lizzie" standing beside a cornish hedge with a great big apron on and she was the same shape as I am now-a- days. Miriam N

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks for the update Miriam.

Checked your first message and then went to my Paul records where I found the marriage straight away.

Noticed some of the dates did not look quite right and was about to mention but thought I would check the second note before I did so.

And 'voila' there were the corrections.

I have been updating sections of my database as we go but will try and do more on this part of the family a little later.

Would appreciate a copy of that photo, though, if you don't mind.

(Not concerned about the comparison between 'Aunt Lizzie' and yourself) ;D

If you can - just attach a copy to an email and send it to me and I will add it to my collection.