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Post by Zenobia on Jul 30, 2007 16:29:04 GMT -5
Let's continue here until we locate the next generation, and then we can start a thread in St. Hilary (which Board I will add today). I just located Emily Jelbart in 1901! She is still in Penzance, at #15 Back Marine Tr. She is age 57, again is a charwoman, but had mysteriously become 'widowed'. She has with her her 19 year old son Edward H. Jelbart, a day laborer, b. at Penzance.
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Post by Zenobia on Jul 30, 2007 17:09:11 GMT -5
Found one baptism:
18 Nov 1870 Frederick s/o Emily Gilbert of Union Workhouse (Madron)
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 31, 2007 9:06:59 GMT -5
I cannot find Elizabeth anywhere but 1851 either. But I have now found Emily in every Census from 1851-1901. ;D Let me know which you do not have and I will post them in another note.
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Post by jilbertm on Aug 22, 2007 6:23:39 GMT -5
Hi all,
I have just returned from holiday and seen all the hard work you have been doing, some info i have already, i think i may have to send you all some more info, i know re about neddy betty lane and quay street but not about madron, i also know that Emily was in the Madron workhouse in 1870 when Frederick was born if that helps?
Thanks Maggie
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Post by jilbertm on Aug 22, 2007 7:18:12 GMT -5
Hi i have been away and come back to find all this hard work, you have been busy, can you enlighten the Hampton CT for me if you can. Im going to look on the parish recors in st hilary if i can to see what i can find
Thanks
Maggie
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Post by Zenobia on Aug 22, 2007 16:44:44 GMT -5
I made more attemps today to find Elizabeth Jelbart in 1861 and 1871 but still no luck. I beleive you said you had her in 1871? Where was she living?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 23, 2007 6:14:30 GMT -5
Maggie - have been offline for over a week due to technical problems with my server having been caused by rain and lightning. Need to go right through the Board to catch up with things which will be time-consuming. Would appreciate any of the further information you suggested you had that might give some further clues. But I need clarification of the following:- Hope to get back to this later tonight or tomorrow night.
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Post by jilbertm on Aug 23, 2007 10:08:21 GMT -5
Hampton crt was mntioned by Zenobia on July the 30th reference where she lived or worked, not heard of this before in my search i was interested to know more.
B/W Maggie
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 23, 2007 12:25:36 GMT -5
OK - thanks for clarification. Looks like this part is Zenobia's domain. After a week of no access I looked at this entry and thought "CT" meant "Cornish Terrier". Back to Zenobia to help here and I will work on other parts of the problem as I can.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 24, 2007 7:52:22 GMT -5
Looks like I have lost my link to the UK Census Records, at least for now, so may not be as much help as I might like. However, I decided to take a look at a couple of things based on the 1851 Census which showed Elizabeth Jelbart age 46 born St Hilary. If she was actually born at St Hilary then we might expect she was baptised there also. Here is what I have found in IGI:- Elizabeth d/o Elizabeth GILBERT bp. 21 April 1804 at St Hilary Elizabeth d/o Nicholas & Alice GILBERT bp. 21 September 1817 at St Hilary Eliza d/o William & Mary GILBERT bp. 22 May 1825 at St Hilary These are the only possible entries and, given Elizabeth gave her age as 46 in 1851, then the first is the only real option. This may possibly be in keeping with Elizabeth's tenure at the Madron Union Workhouse. If this is correct then we now have the task of finding out who her mother was. Be nice to find her in another Census.
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Post by jilbertm on Aug 25, 2007 4:47:32 GMT -5
So it looks like Elizabeth mother was not married either in 1804, what a family i have.
Richard My grandfather son of Emily had no father recorded, neither did Elizabeth by the looks of things, what a mis mosh, this is terrible news really as i can not establish my true surname.
I may need to call for a birth certifiate of Elizabeth
Regards
Maggie
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 25, 2007 11:18:26 GMT -5
Chin UP dear Maggie. You have some sleuths on the trail and I am sure that, between us all, we will be able to get to the bottom of this puzzle.
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Post by jilbertm on Aug 26, 2007 5:53:27 GMT -5
Thanks I do hope so, seven years and no further afield with this than Elizabeth 1804 )
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 26, 2007 10:43:49 GMT -5
Okay - another piece of 'possible' information of use. This is again from a search of IGI although it cannot, at the moment, be guaranteed that Elizabeth was born/baptised at St Hilary. However, I did a search for Elizabeth Jelbart at St Hilary and have now come up with two possibilities for your earlier Elizabeth:- Elizabeth GILBERT bp. 16th October 1774 at St Hilary d/o Jacob and Elizabeth (Jacob GILBERT m. Elizabeth BOADEN at St Hilary 25th July 1772) Elizabeth GILBERT bp. 30th March 1788 at St Hilary d/o John and Elizabeth (John GILBERT, mariner, m. Elizabeth STEVENS at St Hilary 27th August 1781) These appear to be the only two possibilities at St Hilary. Take a look and see what you think and we will try to find something more on both of these. The first Elizabeth here would have been about 30 in 1804 whilst the second would have been about 16. Difficult to determine which may have been the 'culprit'.
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Post by jilbertm on Aug 26, 2007 14:36:02 GMT -5
Thanks, i will look in to it and get back to you, B/W Maggie
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