JILBERT SEARCH

[jilbertm]

Hi everyone, i am researching the Jilbert/Jelbart name. i have come UN stuck with a Emily Jelbart b 1844, sister Mary born 1840?mother Elizabeth Jelbart B 182? ish, neither Emily or Elizabeth married, not sure about MARY.
The surname is an issue, as it was spelt several ways, JILBERT which i am GILBERT, JELBERT, JELBART.

Can anyone shed some light on my family.

Regards

Maggie JIlbert-Watkins

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Maggie,

Can you please supply a little more detail here so that I can get an idea of just where to start.

e.g. location of family and birthplace for at least one of the children might be a help.

Probably looking St Buryan, Sancreed area for early generations but ....

Please post a couple more clues and I will be happy to go from there.

Also - just tried to find Emily in the 1851 Census but, because of the multitudes of spelling variations, decided to pause my search temporarily.

Look forward to your next.

[jilbertm]

Is there anyone out there who has relatives in Penzance cornwall, with the surname JILBERT/JELBART/JELBERT or Gilbert.

I am looking for a Elizabeth Jelbart? name change as above, born 1820's 2 daughters 1, emily born 1844 the other Mary born 1841 there about. 1851 cenus Emily was 6 and Mary 9.

However did find Mary christened in 1 May1844 madron workhouse, daughter of Elizabeth, which is odd as i have Emily my grandmothers Birth cert which says she was born in 1844.
No christening entry for Emily, no birht record for Mary???

Please if you can help please contact me i am really stuck now

B/Wishes
Maggie

[Zenobia]

Hi Maggie, and welcome to our forum!

Ian (Cornish Terrier) should be back in a day or two, and I am sure he will be able to find something for you, now that he has a few more details to work with.

Please keep checking back.

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Maggie - I'm Back

I just checked that Christening for Mary Jane Gilbert in 1844 and, at the moment, find it odd that she is recorded as d/o Elizabeth GILBERT, spinster, of ST HILARY.

First question is - do you have any record of your family being at St Hilary

Also noticed there were quite a number of Baptisms for the Madron Workhouse on that same day so it is quite possible that Elizabeth took advantage of the occasion to have Mary baptised.

Next question is - what was EMILY'S DATE OF BIRTH as that might well answer part of your question.

As for the 'no baptism' for one and 'no birth' for the other - I have seen that before but I think it more probable to find the missing baptism.

I have one particular record of a Christopher Trewhella for whom I could find no reference in the St Catherine's House Birth Index.
But I did find his baptims in the Parish Registers when I was in Cornwall in 1994.

The last question for this note:-

Could you tell me the main details of the 1851 Census entries you found as I have had a quick look without success.

If you can tell me the 'surname spelling' and the Town and Parish I should be able to locate it and then work on from there.

Keep me informed and I will see what I can do.

[jilbertm]

Hi, i will try not to get muddled, pleas be pateint,

Right i have a birth cert for a Emily Jelbart born 26th July 1844

I found Emily aged 6years and Elizabeth aged 46years living at Market Jew Street in 1851 with a Mary Jane Jelbart 9 years old born Penzance, who is she is ask myself. why was she christened in 1844? was she done the same time as Emily?

In the same year and entry I note that Elizabeth Jelbart was a lodging housekeeper at Market Jew Street and she was St Hilary born, so that you have found.

What I would love to know is who Mary was, when she was born as I have Emily in form of birth cert as proof.

Also anything about Nanny Elizabeth as we are not sure whether we are Jilbert/Jelbart/Gilbert it seems the transcriber was not good at J/G.

Another issue is Nanny Emily's death and Elizabeth no mention any where, after 1891 for Emily and Elizabeth I think last noted in 1871.

Emily had several children each i have a record for, Richard her son was born In 1870, her other son Frederick seems to have been lost somewhere as again no mention, neither Emily or Elizabeth seemed to have married, unless she married a Jelbart or equivalent with Emily and Marys father.

I await your reply and thank you so much. i hope you can understand it.

Wishes Maggie

[jilbertm]

Hi for got to add Emily was born in Penzance Ned Bettys' Lane i think it says. 1844

Regards

Maggie

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Maggie,
Thanks for that information and I will try to take a further look at it after work tonight.

Also - suggest we start thinking about an appropriate place on the Board to continue this.

Will think about that tonight also.

[Cornish Terrier]

Maggie - have been searching the Census with great difficulty.

Have eventually found Emily in the 1861 Census where she is a 'house servant' to Charles E Edgecumbe and his family at Madron.
Emily is then shown as being aged 18 and born at Penzance.

I have now tried for probably more than an hour to find this family in 1851 and I have tried all sorts of combinations.

For some reason I just cannot find them anywhere and it is annoying me no end.

Is there anything else you can tell me about the 1851 Census entry that might help.

For instance - other people in the particular household??

That might give me a clue to finding them.

Other than that I am stumped at the moment.

But that does not mean I will give up.

[Zenobia]

Piece of cake Ian!

1851:

Madron (Panzance, 8 ward), Neddy Betty's Lane:

Elizabeth Jelbart, head, unm. age 46, boarding house keeper, b. St. Hilary
James Major, lodger, unm. age 26, hairdresser, b. Gulval
Jane Richards, lodger, unm. , age 30, b. Panzance
Mary Jane Jelbart, dau, age 9, b. Penzance
Emily Jelbart, dau, scholar, age 6, b. Panzance
Jane Richards, "dau of Jane Richards", age 1, b. Penzance.

Of course, Ancestry had the surname recorded as "Selbart"

[Zenobia]

Now I am stuck...

I am unable to find Elizabeth in 1841, 1861 or 1871.

Her age in 1851 is 46, indicating a birth year of about 1805, but in the posts above it says 1820s. I was trying to locate her on other census to confirm the age, but no luck...

[Zenobia]

I did find Emily in 1871:

Penzance, South Place Quay

Emily Gilbert, border, age 24, unm., charwoman, b. Penzance
Richard Gilbert, border, age 2, b. Madron
Frederick Gilbert, border, age 7 m., b. Madron

Boarding with the family of Philadelphia Roberts.

[Cornish Terrier]

Finally found the family in 1851 -

Tried many avenues but eventually, from your information, tried searching for 'JANE RICHARDS' and found them that way.

I think a few more 'little grey cells' will be needed on this one so might sit back and cogitate for a while.

Suggest we find an appropriate section of the Board to where we might move discussion?

[Zenobia]

Might as well leave it here for now, since the thread ahs gotton so long. But if we find something earth-shattering (perhaps the next generation) we could start a new thread on the St. Hilary Board (do we have a St. Hilary Board? - if not I will have to recitify that).

Found Emily in 1881 - she was one busy lady!

Penzance, Quay Lane and Hampton Ct.:

William Edwards, head, mariner, unm., age 35, b. Penzance
Emily Jelbert, boarder, dom. servant, unm., age 35, b. Penzance
Richard Jelbert, boarder, age 15, stone breaker, b. Penzance
Fredrick Jelbert, boarder, age 11, scholar, b. Penzance
James Jelbert, boarder, age 6, scholar, b. Penzance
Mary J. Jelbert, boarder, age 5, scholar, b. Penzance
Elizabeth Jelbert, boarder, age 3, scholar, b. Penzance

Wonder where William Edwards fits into all this...?

[Cornish Terrier]

Crikey!

Suggest we try (very quickly) to ascertain her Parish Origins and move conversation to there.

(But we will need a St Hilary section anyway) ;D