A Little Scenario for ALL TO ENJOY

[Cornish Terrier]

Here is something that I posted to a Glasson query in the Crowan section of the Board and thought it would be worth placing here in a more 'open' area.

This is all factual and is part of my Maternal Ancestry -- ENJOY.

That one may not be quite as bad as a situation that occurred on my mother's side of the family.

William Prentice married Susanna about 1812 and had four children.

Susanna died in 1817 and William then married Mary Gallifont by whom he had a further nine children.

William, the first son from the marriage to Susanna, married Amelia Missen and they had two children.

William died in 1845 and his widow, Amelia, then married William's half-brother Benjamin who was the third child from the marriage of William to Mary Gallifont.
Benjamin and Amelia then had six children.

Are you paying attention and following this so far.

Now, the youngest son from the marriage of Benjamin and Amelia was Herbert Martin Prentice.

Herbert Martin Prentice married Alice Mary Baynard in 1896 and these are my mother's grandparents.

Herbert and Alice had three sons and two daughters and it is the daughters that are of interest here.

Amelia Martha Prentice married Samuel Riseley in 1926 and had six children.

Annie Elizabeth Prentice married Frederick Singleton in 1932 and had four children including my mother.

Amelia Martha (now Riseley) died in 1941.

Frederick Singleton died in 1942.

Samuel Riseley married Anne Elizabeth (now Singleton) and had a further two sons.

So we have two sets of cousins who suddenly become step-siblings who are then joined by two ?half-brothers?.

And to think almost the exact same thing happened in two successive generations.

Now - go away and do your homework and sort this lot out as I may well be asking questions later on.

Anyone else out there have anything like this in their ancestry and especially so recent.

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Can anyone beat that one???

Better still - how many of you can drawer up the Family Tree Chart.

[gandolf]

I like challenges ;D

Try this on for size CT (just names, have ignored dates for simplicity).

    Susanna  ??  m(1  William Prentice  2)m  Mary Gallifont
                 |                        |
                 |                        |
------------------                        --------------------
|               |                         |                  |
3 kids       William   m(1  Amelia  2)m   Benjamin          8 kids
Prentice     Prentice   |   Missen   |    Prentice         Prentice
                        |            |
                        |            |
            2 kids Prentice          ----------------------------
                                     |                           |
                                     |                           |
                        Alice  m  Herbert                     5 kids
                      Maynard  |  Prentice                  Prentice
                               | 
                               | 
-----------------------------------------------
|                  |                          |
3 sons         Amelia  m(1  Samuel   2)m(2    Ann    1)m  Frederick
Prentice     Prentice  |    Risley     |   Prentice  |    Singleton 
                       |               |             |
                   6 kids            2 kids        4 kids
                   Risley            Risley       Singleton

I can't beat that in my ancestry (at least recently), but do distant cousins count?

Try this one on for size ....

George Williams (b.1815) and John Williams (b.1817) were brothers, their parents being Charles Williams and Ann Lucas

George Williams (b.1815) married 1834 to Harriet Quinn
George and Harriets's 3rd child was William Williams, who married Elizabeth Mathews and had (as their eighth child) Bertha E Williams born 1897
George and Harriets's 8th child was Mary Ann Williams who married Sydney Griffiths and had (as their 13th child) Tasman Hugh Griffiths.
George and Harriets's 11th child was Alfred Oscar Williams
George and Harriets's 13th child was Mrtha Louise Williams

John Williams (b.1817) married 1837 to Annie Stonehouse
their 11th child was Annie Amelia Williams

Hope you are keeping up so far, because it will get a lot more messy yet!! ;D

Alfred O Williams married 1876 to his 1st cousin Annie A Williams
Their first child was Alfred Ernest Williams.

Alfred E. Williams married 1913 to Millicent Williams (no relation!) and eight kids before Millicent's death in 1934.

Meanwhile Bertha E. Williams mentioned above, married 1914 to her first cousin Tasman H. Griffiths and had 14 children. Tasman died 1932.

Following the deaths of their respective spouses, Alfred E. Williams married c.1934 to his first cousin Bertha E. (nee Williams) Griffiths. They had four children together, the second of these being Kenneth E. Williams.

Meanwhile back to the past....
Martha Louise Williams married 1880 to Percy Smith Griffiths, half brother to Sydney Griffiths mentioned above. Percy Smith Griffiths and Sydney Griffiths had the same father John Griffiths.
Martha and Percy's second child was George P. Griffiths born 1883.
George P. Griffiths third child was James Griffiths born 1924
James Griffiths third child was Kathryn A Griffiths

To finish off, Kenneth E. Williams married his 2nd cousin once removed, Kathryn A. Griffiths. They had four children in the 1970's and 1980's (Mark. Matthew, Laurence, Dean).

Lost yet? It does make sense, I assure you. ;D

As I figure it these four children, as well as being siblings are also:
2nd cousins to each other
2nd cousins twice removed to each other
3rd cousins to each other

Their ancestors Charles and Ann (nee Lucas) Williams are their:
3 x great grandparents three times over as well as also being their 4 x great grandparents (ie appear in the ancestry 4 times)

While I have seen similar levels of intermarriage in medieval times, this is the only example I know of that is this extreme in pretty much modern day. That being said, there are many other examples within the Williams family of cousin marriages (of varying levels of closeness), just no others over multiple generations to this extent.

[Cornish Terrier]

Mate - with a name like Williams I reckon they have a damned good chance of getting away with it. ;D

Thanks for your reply and also your contribution to 'and now for something completely different' as Monty Python put it.

I am sure this will make interesting reading for many people and may also help them with their own research.

These two examples show that all options must be considered - no matter how bizarre they may seem - when trying to piece together a family history.

Let's see what other like postings we can get here.