John Warmington Glasson

[Glazin2018]

Hello CT, long time has passed since we last spoke

I have a question which relates to an 1850 marriage between John Glasson and Christain Rowe at Gwinear.

FamilySearch records do not start in marriages at Gwinear until 1862 but someone has transcribed the marriage, and it is in the OPC database.  It states that the father of the groom was Francis Glasson, and I am sure that it is an error, and it should read Thomas Glasson. 

Are you, or anyone else, aware of any place where this record can be viewed and if so can you please enlighten me.  It will prove a rather large error in a lot of Ancestry family files.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Lannanta - yes, it has been quite some time and every now and then that same thought pops into my mind. But we won't dwell on that now and instead I will solve your problem for you.

You are quite correct and the name of John Glasson's father is actually THOMAS in the record. It is difficult to read and you may need to use Irfanview to enhance the image or even view it in negative but there is no doubt. In fact even without enhancements it is easy enough to see that the name begins with a 'T' and then an 'h'.

As for the issue with FamilySearch - I have checked and you are right that marriages prior to 1862 for Gwinear are not included in the Cornwall Parish Registers collection but, as with quite a number of records for other Parishes, that does not mean that they are not accessible via FamilySearch.

In this case you need to log into FamilySearch and then from the top Toolbar select 'Catalog' then 'England, Cornwall, Gwinear' which will bring up the list of holdings for Gwinear.

Next step is to scroll down the list and select 'Church Records' which will list all the collections of registers and transcripts of the records for Gwinear. Scroll down to the bottom of the list and select:- Parish Registers for Gwinear, 1560-1983

Once into that collection go down the list and select:- Marriages, 1754-1862 which is Film 254210 from the Granit Mountain Record Vault. You will see the little Camera Icon at right which indicates the images are viewable and also, in this case, downloadable.

You can follow that same process to check available records for all the Cornish Parishes including many that are not in the main Cornwall Parish Register collection..

You can search for the John Glasson record for yourself if you want but to make it easier for you and for anyone else who wants to confirm it here is a link directly to the image:-

www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G924-P2H5?i=323&cat=45728

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

BTW- I have just sent a correction to the OPC to change the surname of the groom from 'GLASON' to 'GLASSON' and also to change the name of the groom's father from 'Francis' to 'THOMAS' as it should be.

CT

[Glazin2018]

Thanks for that CT, goes to show you never stop learning when it comes to FamilySearch.

I had always had this John Glasson, husband of Christana Rowe, as the son of Thomas Glasson and Ann Vivian and I initially I must have accepted that Francis was a transcription error as I could see the two names being similar in form.  But recently I was following a DNA connection and I noted that in their online tree they had John Warmington Glasson as the husband.  I checked online at that place where all the family trees are and noted that a large number of trees had the same error.  Following on from this error these trees showed that John Warmington Glasson died in 1881 at Redruth.

I went back to my database and confirmed to myself that John Warmington Glasson was the son of William Glasson and Mary Warmington and was baptised in late 1925 at Redruth, a year after his brother John Glasson who most likely did not survive.  I then noted that I had John Warmington Glasson dying in Copperfield, Clermont, Queensland in 1874 aged 49 years and taken from my notes from the death record had that he was the son of William and Mary and from England, being 8 years in Queensland.  A certain William Jenkins, a miner, was granted Probate of John's Will so I always assumed John was not married.

I never found a shipping record for him to Australia.

From my birth/baptism database I could not see any other John Glasson from that era of 1825 (+/- 5 years) where the parents were William & Mary.

But before I went and tried to correct anything I still had that OPC record saying "Francis" and I was not prepared to do anything while there was an element of doubt.  So, thank you once again CT.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

The dog and the bone!! You and I are a little alike methinks and I reckon dear departed cousin Nancy Tonkin might well have likened you to a cornish terrier as well!

Over the last 18 months or so I have been working on Harveys and now the Berryman (var.) families and I have had to keep the tooth file handy at all times! But through tenacious digging and scratching around I have managed to solve quite a few perplexing problems.

Helping solve genealogical problems, primarily involving West Penwith, was part of the thinking when Kathie set up this forum so it is nice to have a 'bone' to play with occasionally. But this one was a little easier given I had that particular register on hand and I also already had the Thomas as the father of John Glasson in my database.

CT

[Glazin2018]

CT

Researching has certainly been made easier over the years since the hours of trolling microfiche days.

In this case I was also lucky to just receive the Probate documents referred to in the Queensland newspaper at the time from the Queensland Archives:

The Telegraph (Brisbane, Qld. : 1872 - 1947) Sat 30 May 1874
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF QUEENSLAND.
Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction.
In the MATTER of the WILL of JOHN GLASSON, late of Copperfield, Miner, deceased.
NOTICE is hereby given that after the expiration of fourteen days from the publication of this notice, application will be made to this Honourable Court that PROBATE of the WILL of the above-named deceased, may be GRANTED to WILLIAM JENKINS, of Copperfield, aforesaid, Miner, the sole Executor named in the said will.
Dated this twenty-sixth day of May, A.D., 1874.

And lo and behold John Glasson left a Will which conclusively proves he was actually John Warmington Glasson:

The Will of John Glasson
This is the Last Will and Testament of me John Glasson now residing in Copperfield, Queensland, miner. I give and bequeath all my property of every kind to my sister Amelia Hollow (wife of Matthew Hollow of Redruth in Cornwall in England, stone mason, for her use and benefit absolutely. I name and appoint William Jenkins residing also at Copperfield aforesaid sole Executor of this my Will - and I hereby revoke any other Will made by me. In witness whereof I have hereto set my hand this eighteenth day of August in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and seventy-three. signature of John Glasson.

So it feels good to know that in the face of popular opinion the true answer lies.  :-) 

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

I noted that in their online tree they had John Warmington Glasson as the husband

In the light of the already know error this makes even less sense!

Those people have the choice of two John Glassons (based on birth details) to have been the husband of Christian Rowe - one with a father named William and the other with a father named Thomas - yet the errant transcription has the father's name incorrectly transcribed as 'Francis'.
I can only guess it was the location more than anything else that prompted those people to conclude that, even though his father was named 'Francis' in the transcript, it must have been William rather than Thomas!

I went back to my database and confirmed to myself that John Warmington Glasson was the son of William Glasson and Mary Warmington and was baptised in late 1925 at Redruth, a year after his brother John Glasson who most likely did not survive.

From the Redruth Parish Register - Baptisms 1813-1831

18th December 1824
John Glasson of Town age 4 months

And now having received a copy of the Will and Probate the saga of John Warmington Glasson comes to an end! (Except, of course, perhaps locating a record of his arrival and, perhaps, a little information about his life in Queensland.)

I will update my database now with this latest.

As always, very happy to help.

CT