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Post by cledry on Oct 21, 2023 9:28:33 GMT -5
If my reckoning is correct my 10 x great grandfather was Cornelius HARVEY.
He was buried at Gulval on 05 Dec 1632 and in his will he mentions his wife Mary, a son William, a daughter Margerie.
He mentions son-in-law John RANDELL who married Johanna HARVEY 3 Oct 1630 at Gulval, by the time of the Will this couple have a son John.
He mentions a grandchild Mary NICOLL, which I presume is the daughter of John NICOLL and Margareta HARVIE married 13 OCT 1627 at Gulval.
He mentions a daughter Johan, who I believe is unwed at this time.
In the OPC there is a Richard JELBERT who marries a Margery HARVIE at Gulval on 24 NOV 1634. I think this must be the daughter of Cornelius?
Anyway am I correct in thinking Cornelius and Mary had the following>
Johan a daughter
William a son
Margareta a daughter
Margerie a daughter
Johanna a daughter
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 21, 2023 11:25:13 GMT -5
I have a copy of the Will of Cornelius Harvey but have not yet processed it or attempted to work on his family. If I have a chance over the next few days I will try and do that and see what answers I might be able to come up with.
Ct
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Post by zibetha on Oct 22, 2023 1:27:22 GMT -5
I don't know much about the Harveys at Gulval, but I see three children in Cornelius'will (he can also found as "Cornwall"): William, Johan and Margerie. I think Johan/Johan and Margerie-Margeria/Margaret were his 2 daughters. Like you, I thnk Mary was John Nicholl and Margerie's daughter- the Maria baptised 11 Dec 1631, father Johannis. Their other children were born after Cornelius died but do include a son named Cyprian.
Extra marriages in the area seem to be for people with similar names reather than remarriages: a 1639 marriage between Johannes Nicholl and Elizabeth Donnithorne and the Jelbert/Harvy marriage you mention.
The OPC has a transcription of Cornelius' will.
Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 22, 2023 7:00:47 GMT -5
Zib - there were actually three daughters - Margerita (Margaret) who married John Nicoll, Johan (Johanna) who married John Randall and Margeria (Margery) who married Richard Jelbart in 1634. No marriage found for Cornelius and Mary and no baptism for Margaret but there certainly was a son named Cyprian for John Nicoll.
Ciprianus filius Johannis Nicoll baptized 10th February 1736 at Gulval
Margaret was buried at Gulval in 1664 but is not mentioned in the Will although her husband and son were. Margerie is bequeathed one sheepe and immediately after her is the bequest for grandaughter Mary Nicoll.
But that does not help with any link to Gregory Donithorne and Mary Harvey given we cannot determine a baptism for John Donithorne. John was married in 1673 and died in 1731 so it is difficult to see him born much before 1650 and almost certianly not before 1640.
CT
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Post by cledry on Oct 22, 2023 9:50:41 GMT -5
Zib - there were actually three daughters - Margerita (Margaret) who married John Nicoll, Johan (Johanna) who married John Randall and Margeria (Margery) who married Richard Jelbart in 1634. No marriage found for Cornelius and Mary and no baptism for Margaret but there certainly was a son named Cyprian for John Nicoll. Ciprianus filius Johannis Nicoll baptized 10th February 1736 at Gulval Margaret was buried at Gulval in 1664 but is not mentioned in the Will although her husband and son were. Margerie is bequeathed one sheepe and immediately after her is the bequest for grandaughter Mary Nicoll. But that does not help with any link to Gregory Donithorne and Mary Harvey given we cannot determine a baptism for John Donithorne. John was married in 1673 and died in 1731 so it is difficult to see him born much before 1650 and almost certianly not before 1640. CT So you think that Johan and Johanna are the same person? The will is a bit confusing. I wasn't sure if it was two daughters or just one, but since there is just the one marriage, it seems the most likely. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 22, 2023 10:37:48 GMT -5
Yes, Johan and Johanna are both the same person - you could equate to Mary and Maria being the same when dealing with Latin which was used in the early Gulval registers. Landewednack is another Parish that used Latin and there are others.
CT
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