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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 11, 2023 14:21:20 GMT -5
Good morning
I was just wondering if anybody had worked out who this married woman, Ann Glasson, was in the 1861 census at St Clement.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 11, 2023 15:19:41 GMT -5
A complete mystery! I can find absolutely no trace of her, in the UK at least, in any records other than that one lone 1861 Census entry. Nor can I find even a remotely possible marriage in FreeBMD. I have also checked my spreadsheets from when I worked on the Glasson families a few years back and there is nothing to be found. CT
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 11, 2023 22:51:54 GMT -5
Same here CT
A little to add - I think this is her in 1860 ...
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 12, 2023 1:50:04 GMT -5
Yes, I would agree that is most likely the same person. Unfortunately there is nothing in those items that offers any clue to her true identity.
One thing that has crossed my mind is that there may be one or more inaccurate 'facts' in her identity. For example - she may have been older or younger than stated and perhaps by several years or she may actually not have been married. Both the Census record and the descriptions in those two items you displayed are consistent but ................
If we consider the possibility that she was not, as stated, married then I can find just one possibility. I suspect you may be able to 'swat' this one down but it is worth a mention.
ANNA daughter of John and Wilmot (Quick) Glasson bp. 25th August 1836 Kenwyn
1. Ann/Anna sometimes interchanged 2. previous sibling baptised 1833 so Anna's baptism might not have taken place until she was up to a couple of years old. 3. born Kenwyn which is basically 'Truro'
That is about all I can come up with for now except for the possibility that, if we accept she was actually married, the marriage may have taken place somewhere outside of the UK.
CT
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 12, 2023 19:32:52 GMT -5
CT
I agree with the issue of Ann being marriage and of course her aged being questionable. I have kept looking for other traces of her but at this stage I have not found anything either before her arrest or after the 1861 census.
With regards to the daughter of John and Wilmot Glasson of Truro - I cannot find the couple in 1861 but I am sure this is the Anna you refer to.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 13, 2023 3:06:22 GMT -5
Yep, that would be her! I thought you would probably be able to eliminate her from the equation but it was worth checking. So, another 'back to the drawing board' situation! CT
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 13, 2023 21:37:57 GMT -5
CT
I have been mulling over this for a long time and I always come back to one man - Samuel "the Ferret" Glasson, a blacksmith of Calenick-street in Truro. There is a thread elsewhere on this site concerning him but I have a suspicion, without any proof, that he is a major player in the identity of this woman Ann Glasson.
As a bit of a background, this is the first mention I have recorded of him:- And then from 1828 to 1864 or so he is constantly in and out of the Assizes, Courts and Bodmin Gaol.
He had a son Nicholas (1831-1833) to a supposed wife Ann but this follows: He must have been known well at the courts as this item would show: So we know that he is a wife and any other woman beater especially when he is drunk which is shown by the myriad of newspaper items to be very regularly. The wife Ann mentioned above in 1832 obviously cannot be his now in 1861 wife but could this next newspaper item give us a clue?
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 13, 2023 23:58:37 GMT -5
This would be Samuel (1804-1877) son of Robert Glasson and Jane Burt whose first 'wife' Ann appears to be still unaccounted for. He also married Elizabeth Tucker at Truro in 1866 which would suggest, if he were involved with Ann of 1861, that Ann of 1861 either divorced Samuel or died prior to the 1866 marriage.
Lots of ifs and buts involved here methinks. And also of note is that Ann of 1861 would have been only 17 or 18 if she had been the subject of Samuel's abuse in 1853.
I also checked FreeBMD and can find no Mary Ann Williams marriage to fit.
CT
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 18, 2023 22:32:55 GMT -5
I agree with you CT, a lot of ifs and buts so I am still looking.
Samuel Glasson had a nephew - William Henry Glasson who was constantly in and out of gaol like his uncle Samuel, but more often for William it was for vagrancy. William Henry was the son of Samuel's brother William Burt Glasson and Elizabeth nee Hill. What got me thinking about this man was a burial for his son William Henry Glasson in 1853; the cause of death was congenital veneral from parent from birth
Instantly the thought of the word "prostitute" came into my mind.
William Henry Glasson married Nancy Brokenshire in 1849 at the Register Office in Penzance. In the marriage record she is named as Ann.
In the newspaper in 1856 Prostitutes are mentioned again: This puts our Truro Ann Glasson who was at Truro in 1861 back in Penzance in the 1850s. Indeed she is in Madron in 1841 Finally William Henry Glasson stays out of prison and he is found again with his wife in later census:
What do you think of them apples?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 19, 2023 3:53:21 GMT -5
Golden Delicious or Royal Gala?? or perhaps Granny Smith!! And I had this family in my database all along!!! I also thought I had checked potential marriages using the forename Nancy. In the end one of the bigger obstacles to identification does appear to have been her age. And it obviously did not help that her husband was in the jug!! I believe we can call this one 'problem solved'. CT
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 19, 2023 23:54:01 GMT -5
Hello again CT
I have been able to find a little more information which pretty much reinforces the assumption made as to the identity of Ann Glasson in the 1861 census.
As I said earlier it was the death of the infant son due to congenital veneral from parent that made me think. The child, a son named as his father, William Henry was born on 16 September 1852 at North Street, Penzance. The informant at the birth was the father. However, the baby died some 4 1/2 months later in the Workhouse, and the reason for that is explained in the newspaper: In 1854 William Henry Glasson is convicted of theft of a cotton shirt at Illogan and sent to Bodmin Gaol. His sentence is four years penal servitude as show: It is interesting to note that he wrote to his wife (named Ann in the Bodmin Gaol file - not Nancy) still living at Parade Street and that she wrote back to him suggesting that they were still a couple. Also interesting is the letter from his mother - she being Elizabeth nee HILL of Truro and it was the surname HILL that William Henry used later in his life doing deeds that ultimately continued to get him arrested.
William Henry was discharged from Bodmin on the 18th December 1854 and sent to Millbank Prison to serve his sentence. A year after his 4 years in prison he is reported thus: So now he is present in the town of his birth, Penzance, but also living in Truro which ties everything together quite nicely.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 20, 2023 7:31:36 GMT -5
A job well done!!
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 27, 2023 18:24:19 GMT -5
CT
A little bit of icing on the cake with regards to William Henry Glasson and prostitution:
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 28, 2023 0:51:34 GMT -5
Hmmmm ........... rather displeased with the service I should think! It may have been more prudent to just refuse to leave a tip!
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