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Post by cledry on Jul 5, 2023 22:57:01 GMT -5
My 5x great grandfather William EDDY born circa 1740 married Margery RICHARDS at Zennor on 05 Feb 1764.
Looking at the OPC site there are a number of possible choices for William.
Zennor 1738 son of Thomas
Madron 1738 son of William
Morvah 1738 son of William
Madron 1744 son of William
Zennor 1745 son of William
Madron 1745 son of William
Most researchers are choosing William baptised 28 DEC 1745 at Zennor as their choice. I know some on this forum have spent a lot of time researching the EDDY family and would welcome their input before I bang my head against a wall. It seems the family didn't leave wills very much. Naming patterns are largely the same over and over.
For my couple William EDDY and Margery RICHARDS I can only find two children, creatively named Willliam and Margery.
I assume William senior died because I believe Margery re-married in Towednack on 8 JAN 1779 to a William CURNOW.
Now the odd thing. In 1766 in Zennor there are 3 William EDDY burials!
I think I need a beer.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 6, 2023 1:50:59 GMT -5
With this family, especially prior to 1812 when it appears to have been a waste of ink to include the mother's name when entering baptisms in the register, you would be advised to keep a well-stocked 'beverage' fridge close by!  I spent quite a long period of time working on the Eddy family, particular around Zennor, in an effort to identify my own William Eddy who married Loveday Richards at Zennor in 1802. Once I received a copy of the marriage record I was able to identify him as the son of Stephen Eddy and Elizabeth Matthews as Stephen Eddy was a witness to the marriage. William Eddy and Margery Richards remain on the 'unsolved' list because once I achieved the main goal I needed to move on to other more pressing research. However, it is almost without doubt that William is one of the three 1766 burials given Margery did remarry to William Curnow in 1777 and there are no other William Eddy burials at Zennor prior to that. There is a William Eddy burial at Madron in 1769 and another at St Just in 1776 but I was able to identify them and eliminate them from the Zennor problem. I have four candidates for those three 1766 burials - the husband of Margery Richards, the son of William and Margery, the William who married Mary Stevens at Zennor in 1750 (his wife was a widow by 1774) are the three main candidates. The fourth is the man who married Mary Rodda at Gulval in 1735 given five of his children were baptized at Zennor. Before going too much further I guess I should have you clarify your connection to this family. My assumption is that it must be via the Martins family as daughter Margery married David Martinsat Towednack in 1785.  (If that assumption is incorrect then the whole scenario changes.) BTW - the marriage of William Eddy and Margery Richards was witnessed by Nicholas Christopher and Job Richards. It looks like Job was a brother to Margery so he being a witness is not much help in identifying William Eddy. Nicholas Christopher was probably either the man who married Anne Eddy at Zennor in 1737 or his son Christopher who married Charity Thomas at Zennor in 1767 so they are also of no great help. Anne Eddy, wife of Nicholas senior, was a daughter of David Eddy and Catherine Gartrell and had a brother William who married Catherine Sampson at Madron in 1738. It is perhaps their son William (bp. Zennor 1745) that 'everybody' seems to be linking to Margery Richards. The unfortunate thing is that we have absolutely no information about William Eddy at all. Even if he is one of the three 1766 burials there is no information recorded that would help identify him. We could accept that he was the son of William and Catherine baptised at Zennor in 1745 but it would be 'blind acceptance'. But there are other options such as that William may have been previously married or could have been many years older than Margery. CT |
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Post by cledry on Jul 6, 2023 6:07:24 GMT -5
Your well-reasoned reply is exactly along my line of thinking. I too assumed one of the William EDDYs who was buried in 1766 was Margery's husband.
Your assumption on my interest being through Margery who married David MARTIN at Towednack in 1785.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 6, 2023 10:13:27 GMT -5
It is unfortunate that many Vicars were inclined to record only the names and date of burial when entering details into the Parish Registers especially during the 18th Century. I am reasonably comfortable that two of those 1766 Zennor burials for William Eddy were for the husband of Margery (Richards) and for their son but without any additional information it is not possible to identify the father with any degree of certainty.
The only way that it might be possible to identify him is by the process of elimination. I attempted to do that when I spent months working on the Eddy family several years back but unfortunately fell short.
That is not to say it is not possible but after all that time and with other lines to follow I decided to put the Eddy family aside for a while once I had identified my own William.
At some point I may make another attempt to solve that mystery but it probably will not be until I am working on Zennor families in general again.
CT
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Post by cledry on Jul 7, 2023 16:41:54 GMT -5
I too am reasonably certain that tow of the three William EDDY burials in Zennor in 1766 were the husband of Margery and her son. So for now I don't put the actual date, I just put 1766. Wouldn't it be something if it was three generations all named William EDDY that all died in 1766 in Zennor!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2023 4:42:19 GMT -5
It might be 'intrigueing' but I am sure it is not the case. I am comfortable that two of those burials will be the husband of Margery Richards and their son and I have two options for the third.
1. William Eddy who married Mary Rodda at Gulval in 1735. His first child was baptised at Gulval as was his sixth whilst the other five were all baptised at Zennor. Son Martin was buried at Camborne in 1820 but I have no record (at least not so far) of a marriage or any children. Youngest son Matthew was married at Budock in 1794 and buried at Mawnan in 1824. If William survived it is possible he may have spent his final years with one of those sons.
2. And this is my more favored option - William Eddy who married Mary Stevens at Zennor in 1750. I have found no baptism for William but he did exist as he was named in the Will of his father John (written 1756 and proved 1757). William was nameds as a residual legatee along with David Berryman and both were nominated as Executors of John Eddy's Will. (This is the John Eddy who married Joan Davy at Zennor in 1713)
Now, from the Will of Jane Berryman of Zennor (dated 1774 and proved 1780) that William Eddy (husband of Mary Stevens) was deceased at the time she wrote her Will. Mary Stevens was a niece to Jane and she is recorded in the will as 'widow of William Eddy of Zennor'.
FYI - Jane Berryman was the second wife of John Berryman who had previously married Margery Donithorne at Zennor in 1737. She (Jane) was a daughter of Charles Osborn (Will proved 1726 Zennor) and his wife Margaret. Jane's sister Mary married Nicholas Stevens at Zennor in 1717 and it was their eldest daughter Mary who became the wife of William Eddy. Another sister, Margaret, married James Quick at Zennor in 1724.
CT
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Post by cledry on Jul 8, 2023 9:54:13 GMT -5
Margery DONITHORNE is also in my family, she is my 7x great aunt. I presume that John Berryman had no children with either wife. Do we know which of these two might be the John who wed Margery
1. baptised 6 MAY 1718 to John and Rebecca
2. baptised 23 AUG 1719 to John and Tisyphene
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Post by donne on Jul 9, 2023 3:47:56 GMT -5
Margery DONITHORNE is also in my family, she is my 7x great aunt. I presume that John Berryman had no children with either wife. Do we know which of these two might be the John who wed Margery 1. baptised 6 MAY 1718 to John and Rebecca 2. baptised 23 AUG 1719 to John and Tisyphene Are either of these likely candidates for a 1737 marriage? They would suggest that the groom would be no more than 17 or 18 years of age - not impossible but on the young side. By the way, I don't wish to hijack cledry's thread but is there a family connection between this Margery and the Joan DONITHORN who married John DUN 27 Dec 1744 in Gulval? (I reckon this John DUNN is my 2nd cousin 6 times removed.) |
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Post by cledry on Jul 9, 2023 8:44:04 GMT -5
I thought that. However without any other likely candidates... perhaps they were baptised when 2 or 3 years old. I do have afew in my family who were baptised at that age, although they tended to be in the 1800s.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 9, 2023 10:28:00 GMT -5
The quick answer is - NEITHER! A long time since I did much work on the Berryman/Berriman families and they are on my 'to do list' for a proper work over. Based on what previous work I have done it is my opinion that the John Berryman/Berriman in question was a son of RICHARD Berriman and Margaret Thomas who married at Zennor in 1684. Remember that prior to 1713 the Zennor registers are largely illegible and BTs do not survive for every year and as a result there is no baptism date for John available. BUT Richard Berriman left a WILL dated 1st October 1726 and proved at Zennor 23rd May 1728. The Executors named in this Will were sons JOHN and Nicholas Berriman.  CT |
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(If that assumption is incorrect then the whole scenario changes.)
