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Post by JerseyGirl on Sept 16, 2021 10:29:47 GMT -5
I've discovered that the Courtney Museum Library in Truro holds a large box of uncatalogued papers written by William (Bill) Lamparter. Bill had a Lanyon grandmother and set out to create a definitive Lanyon family tree. The box of papers is his lifetime research and may contain all sorts of new information. Sadly I can't get to Truro but I know there are other Lanyon researchers here who might be able to. I've seen some of the trees he created and I have found out new information for my tree (I'll post that separately in case it is of interest to anyone) so it may prove to be a real treasure trove.
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Post by pollyq on Sept 22, 2021 14:18:18 GMT -5
Hi JerseyGirl,
This sounds really interesting. Do you have any reference numbers for Lamparter's collection? Also, do you know when he was compiling his research? If it was pre Second World War, then he may have sighted and taken notes from the Lanyon wills that were stored in Exeter. Wills proved in the Exeter courts were all lost during WW2 and Edward Lanyon of Gwinear's will proved 1630 was one of them. I would love to see an abstract of this will.
I might be able to go to Truro Museum at some point, but I'll have to contact them as the Museum's website isn't clear whether the Courtney Library is open or not. If it is, then the library is only open on Wednesdays and Fridays and only by appointment. The world of research is still reluctant to open its doors, Kresen Kernow is by appointment only as well. So it might require a long wait for an appointment.
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Post by trencrom on Sept 23, 2021 0:22:53 GMT -5
Hi JerseyGirl, This sounds really interesting. Do you have any reference numbers for Lamparter's collection? Also, do you know when he was compiling his research? If it was pre Second World War, then he may have sighted and taken notes from the Lanyon wills that were stored in Exeter. Wills proved in the Exeter courts were all lost during WW2 and Edward Lanyon of Gwinear's will proved 1630 was one of them. I would love to see an abstract of this will. Some abstracts of wills stored at Exeter were created before the War by Miss Olive Moger. I saw these at the Westcountry Studies Library in Exeter over a decade ago, there were several large volumes of them, from memory recorded in alphabetical order by testator surname. While it is probably unlikely that any one will lost in the War was among those abstracted in this collection, it would still be worth checking, in case it was. The collection is now at the Devon Heritage Centre in Exeter. If I recall correctly, there is a second and similar collection of abstracts there, compiled by Oswyn Murray. It may therefore be worth checking both collections, not just for the will in question but for any Cornish (or Devon!) will that was proved at Exeter pre-1858. Trencrom |
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Post by pollyq on Sept 23, 2021 5:12:20 GMT -5
Hi Trencom,
Thank you for your post. I'm well aware of both collections, as I've posted on the Sancreed/Paskes Lanyon thread about them. However, there were other Lanyon wills that were lost that are not covered by these collections. The will of Edward Lanyon is one in particular that I haven't found an abstract for. Hence my hopeful query that Lamparter may have been researching pre-war, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
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Post by JerseyGirl on Oct 13, 2021 6:55:11 GMT -5
Hi JerseyGirl, This sounds really interesting. Do you have any reference numbers for Lamparter's collection? Also, do you know when he was compiling his research? If it was pre Second World War, then he may have sighted and taken notes from the Lanyon wills that were stored in Exeter. Wills proved in the Exeter courts were all lost during WW2 and Edward Lanyon of Gwinear's will proved 1630 was one of them. I would love to see an abstract of this will. I might be able to go to Truro Museum at some point, but I'll have to contact them as the Museum's website isn't clear whether the Courtney Library is open or not. If it is, then the library is only open on Wednesdays and Fridays and only by appointment. The world of research is still reluctant to open its doors, Kresen Kernow is by appointment only as well. So it might require a long wait for an appointment. It does sound like a really interesting box of papers! I'd love to see some of the 'lost wills' too they would answer so many questions I have. Bill Lamparter was born 1926 and died 1992 so it seems unlikely that he was researching before the war however he does seem to have lots of research so he may have copies of someone else's work. I know Jane Veale Mitchell was researching before the war and have copies of her trees/notes but sadly there are no transcripts of wills. I do have copies of the various trees compiled by Bill Lamparter, some have errors but they are still a very useful record and I am still working my way through them and finding useful information. This is the email I received from the museum: "Thank you for your enquiry about the Lampeter papers relating to the Lanyon family which are held here. This archive consists of one large storage box (size: approx. 40 cm width x 42 cm length x 24 cm depth) and eight rolls of copies of pedigrees, maps and plans. These papers are arranged in files by subject (eg Chile) but not listed overall due to the large number of loose papers and consist of possibly 400-500 individual items. Much of the collection consists of the letters that Bill Lampeter wrote and received from correspondents worldwide. These paper have not been digitised and therefore are unavailable online. Angela Broome, BA (Hons); Regional & Loc. Hist.Cert. Librarian & Archivist" |
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Post by pollyq on Oct 19, 2021 7:33:21 GMT -5
Thank you for the extra info JerseyGirl. I've made an appointment to see the collection in early November. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that something might be gleaned, even if it's a clue as to where to look next!
There are still items I want to look at held in Kresen Kernow as well. Namely, lots of letters written between John Lanyon and Jonathan Rashleigh around 1652-54. I've identified 11 letters so far. I've no idea what they contain but it would be useful to try and identify which John Lanyon this is.
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Post by JerseyGirl on Oct 29, 2021 8:52:20 GMT -5
Good luck, let's hope there is something interesting in there! I will keep working my way through the various trees and will post anything 'new' or interesting that I find. I'd be very interested in anything you find in any letters about the Lanyons. My aim is to find how John Lanyon (died apr 1634 Madron) fits into the tree. I have him pencilled in as the younger brother of John Lanyon Esq.
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Post by killalee on Nov 24, 2021 18:11:29 GMT -5
"My" Lanyons are my 6x great grandmother Ann Lanyon, bapt. 25 May 1707 in St Buryan, and her parents John Lanyon (dates unknown) and Margery Ustick(e) - Ann was bapt. 22 Aug 1663 in St Just.
Not sure where they plug into the wider family as I haven't yet gone further up that line ...
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Post by JerseyGirl on Nov 28, 2021 13:13:35 GMT -5
Hi Killalee. I’ve had a quick look on OPC and my tree and can see the baptism of Ann Lanyon 25/5/1707 St Buryan to John Lanyon but no mention of her mother’s name.
I can see the marriage of John Lanyon & Margery Ustick 2/5/1691 St Just in Penwith.
I have John Lanyon’s dates as b 1665 Madron and d. 1733 Madron, s/o Walter Lanyon 1634-1715 & Mary? ; Margery Ustick b. 1663 d/o Martin Ustick 1623-1702 & Jane Veale 1634-1712
I have John & Margery’s son as John Lanyon bpt 24/8/1692 Madron d.7/4/1784 Morvan married to Elizabeth Huthnance.
Are you sure that Ann’s mother is Margery Ustick?
There are so many Anns and Johns that it can be difficult to pin them all down (I know I’ve struggled and probably made a few mistakes!)
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Post by JerseyGirl on Nov 28, 2021 13:19:44 GMT -5
Thank you for the extra info JerseyGirl. I've made an appointment to see the collection in early November. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that something might be gleaned, even if it's a clue as to where to look next! There are still items I want to look at held in Kresen Kernow as well. Namely, lots of letters written between John Lanyon and Jonathan Rashleigh around 1652-54. I've identified 11 letters so far. I've no idea what they contain but it would be useful to try and identify which John Lanyon this is. How did you get on? Was there anything useful there? I have found another tiny piece of the puzzle which may be of interest to you: Edward lanyon’s son Edmund is mentioned in his will as “If he now be living”, I found in the Register of Licences to pass beyond the Seas that Edmund/Edward received a licence on 24 Dec 1621 to travel to Nijmegen presumably to fight in the Dutch revolt. No further trace of him so far.  |
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Post by killalee on Nov 28, 2021 22:08:26 GMT -5
Hi Killalee. I’ve had a quick look on OPC and my tree and can see the baptism of Ann Lanyon 25/5/1707 St Buryan to John Lanyon but no mention of her mother’s name. I can see the marriage of John Lanyon & Margery Ustick 2/5/1691 St Just in Penwith. I have John Lanyon’s dates as b 1665 Madron and d. 1733 Madron, s/o Walter Lanyon 1634-1715 & Mary? ; Margery Ustick b. 1663 d/o Martin Ustick 1623-1702 & Jane Veale 1634-1712 I have John & Margery’s son as John Lanyon bpt 24/8/1692 Madron d.7/4/1784 Morvan married to Elizabeth Huthnance. Are you sure that Ann’s mother is Margery Ustick? There are so many Anns and Johns that it can be difficult to pin them all down (I know I’ve struggled and probably made a few mistakes!) I THINK so but it's not a line I have traced back in any detail yet. I shall cross-reference against what you told me and revert when I have done so. It won't be overnight I suspect ... Cheers, Andrew |
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