VIBERT family

[donne]

Can anyone help with tracking down the birth of a John VIBERT circa 1819 in St Erth but appearing in the 1851 census in St. Ives as a rope-maker's labourer? I am interested in checking out a DNA link suggested by Ancestry to a common ancestor. However the suggested Ancestry descent seems to leave out a generation, linking the 1851 John VIBERT to a mother allegedly 70 years old at his birth.

[Cornish Terrier]

His age in 1851 is clearly 32 and it is clearly recorded that his father was John Vibert, carpenter.

The only John Viberts baptising children in the period 1800-1840 were John Pope Vibert, a watchmaker, at Penzance and then John Vibert and wife Wilmot over at Helston. This latter was a joiner/carpenter but the three children baptised during that period were James in 1822, Isabella in 1823, Lucy in 1827, Avis in 1829 and John in 1831. A check of that 1841 Census shows this family living at Wendron Street Helston with all ages matching those of the baptisms.

I can find only one John Vibert baptised between 1815 and 1825 and that is John Pope Vibert (son of John Pope Vibert) at Penzance in 1821 and he died at Newlyn St Peter in 1873.

I would suggest the possibility the man in the 1851 Census may have been an illegitimate child. The identity of his father, as given in the marriage record, may or may not be correct.

CT

[zibetha]

John 1751 and Avis (Blight) Vibert baptized a son, John, January 6, 1782 at St Erth. I think he is the one who married Wilmot Hawke at St Erth in 1821. One of the witnesses was Isabella Vibert-- likely his sister.

The baptism in in the OPC database as "Vibart" rather than Vibert, and there is an interesting bastardy bond in the miscellaneous records index. It also on this list for Helston: freepages.rootsweb.com/~cricket5/genealogy/hel_barstardy.htm. The "bounden" was carpenter James Vibert of St Erth who I'd guess was his brother.

Zib

[zibetha]

John 1751 and Avis (Blight) Vibert baptized a son, John, January 6, 1782 at St Erth. I think he is the one who married Wilmot Hawke at St Erth in 1821. One of the witnesses was Isabella Vibert-- likely his sister.

The baptism in in the OPC database as "Vibart" rather than Vibert, and there is an interesting bastardy bond in the miscellaneous records index. It also on this list for Helston: freepages.rootsweb.com/~cricket5/genealogy/hel_barstardy.htm. The "bounden" was carpenter James Vibert of St Erth who I'd guess was his brother.

Zib

[zibetha]

That would fit in and not break the DNA link

[zibetha]

There was also a John Vibert Tredeway,base son, baptized April 16 1815 at St Erth to mother Jane, single woman, of St Hilary. I did see both places as his bithplace on various Census records.

[donne]

Thanks, Zib, I think you must have found the missing link with the John Vibert bap.1782 possibly fathering an illegitimate child prior to marriage to Willmot in 1821. The John Vibert in the 1851 census gives an age of 32 which would indicate a birth circa 1819, which doesn't fit well with the recorded bap. of John Vibert Tredeway, but as you point out recorded details often vary from the facts in such circumstances. Assuming my own ancestral tree is correct, evidence for the theory is also provided by the DNA link to the common ancestors (who happen to be James BLIGHT/Gartred BLEWETT born circa 1675).

[Cornish Terrier]

Yes, that all appears to make sense. I have some of this Vibert family in my database but I have them as a mixture of 'Vibert' and 'Vibart' which makes it difficult to search. This information was all updated 20 years ago so I have some work to do to recheck everything and add these latest developments.

CT

[zibetha]

Good for you, Donne, re" the Blewett DNA link. I share a link with three others to Edward Blewett 1700 and Anne Cocke-- no detours that I can see-- with Edward being a 6th great-grandfather. I started out with David Teague's Blewett tree but more recently found Dr Geoffrey Mann's web pages. I think I have some fixing to do re: the St Levan and Paul branches.

Zib