So for clarity, what we have is a Curnow line not connected to Paul in Cornwall, but to the Towednack/Ludgvan area.
Ronald Thomas Curnow = Norma Macleod
RTC is son of William Edward Curnow = Ella May Jeffery
WEC is son of William Curnow c1857 - well, you will find William's baptism on the OPC website, referenced below.
WC was born in Cornwall, son of Thomas Curnow = Elizabeth James. Most of their 8 children died young.
TC is son of Thomas Curnow = Jane Grenfell. Your Thomas Curnow was one of several of Thomas Curnow~Jane Grenfell's children to emigrate to the Moonta area. If you search online Aus newspapers,, I recall there are some cross-references among the siblings, with marriages at the in-laws' houses etc.
I would advocate using www.cornwall-opc-database.org/ to search for marriages, baptisms etc in transcribed Cornish records. You will find Thomas’ baptism there, which also quotes his date of birth.
Post by moontacurnow on Mar 16, 2020 4:41:54 GMT -5
Thank you ZUtake care everyone by the way if we are distant relations am I an Ughel too lol I had a thought today, my cousins who insisted we were from Paul went to the cemetery there on a trip a few years ago and sent us back photos of Curnow Headstones, saying they were Ancestors, I am now wondering if they sent photos of non relations, as they were of the belief we descended from Thomas and Alice Payne James. How funny it would be to find my treasured photos are most likely not what I thought . Sneaking a look at their trees (my cousins) on Ancestry maybe I am not related to them after all( my cousins that is) as at this stage we have different ancestors I am thinking we are from Ludgvan as Aunt said (Googled where Paul and Ludgvan are) but originally from Towednack of which I do not know how to pronounce I think I will do some armchair travelling and see if I can find a video of Ludgvan on Youtube. Thank you and best wishes Laurin Keep safe
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 17, 2020 1:03:29 GMT -5
Re Thomas Curnow and his wife Alice Payne James - as of six years ago we had traced this Thomas back to a Richard Curnow who died at Paul in 1732. We know from his Will that this Richard Curnow's wife was named Prudence but at this stage I have not found a marriage for them and nor do I have any real clue to the origins of Richard.
Re 'Ughel', 'Noweth' etc - when this forum was first set up by Kathie back about 2007 she decided to include some form of identification to indicate the experience of members. She also wanted to use the Cornish language to display the experience mostly based on the number of posts. The experience level is listed under the Username of each member:-
Ughel = HIGH Ysel = LOW Noweth = NEW
There are probably a couple of others but I don't recall what they are right now.
MoontaC-- It took me a bit of time to understand your sense of humor-I now love the "ZU" reference as my brain has finally kicked in--- and you will be an Ughel too in time. Stay with us. I think you are my 10th cousin already. It relies on a family link to the Quicks that I suspect and have on a DNA basis only at the present time.
Hi CT, access to my tree is down (that had better be temporary!) but it runs through the mother of Jennifer/Jane Taylor. I have never found a baptism record for her-- but it seems to fall within about a 10-year gap at Breage/Germoe. Naming patterns and DNA matches have me pretty confident she was a daughter of Prudence Stevens and Richard Taylor and born about 1786 from property and Census records. Prudence was the daughter of Prudence Kitto and Richard Stevens/Stephens. The tricky part is both of my maternal grandparents link to the Kitto family. However, I have enough Quick matches that I can't explain or connect to any other families. Richard Stephens was the son of William Stephens and Zenobia Quick born about 1667. I have matches to descendants of Zenobia's brothers, John and James, as well as her cousins Matthew Quick (Sarah Major) and Benedict Quick and Jane Roberts (David Curnow.) On the Curnow side -- James Curnow and Jane Baragwanath, John Curnow and Elizabeth Renowden, Robert Curnow and Wilmot Roserwall, Zachariah Curnow and Jane Phillips. But, I do suspect the Quick connection. I could add a few Trewhella/Quick matches
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 18, 2020 11:57:29 GMT -5
Hmmmm - I am not so sure about the husband of Prudence Kitto being the son of William Stevens and Zenobia Quick. I actually have that Richard Stevens buried at Zennor 6th May 1740 given there was no other candidate at Zennor for that event.
There was also a Quick family at Breage from sometime between about 1710 and 1730. They were descended from Anthony Quick (youngest son of Thomas Quick of Zennor) via his son William who married Jane Carter at Towednack in 1705. William and Jane Quick had 2 daughters and 3 sons with daughter Elizabeth marrying George Thomas at Breage in 1730 and Alice marrying Christopher Cock at Constantine in 1736. Of the sons only two were married - John to Elizabeth Austian at Breage in 1732 and Thomas to Mary Richards at Breage in 1776 when he was about age 58.
Post by moontacurnow on Apr 1, 2020 19:12:24 GMT -5
Good morning all 2/4/2020 First of all I sincerely hope that everyone is well and safe Thank you for the explanation of the titles if there is a Cornish word for pest I think thats mine haha. I am so happy Cornish is being taught again. I only know a couple of words. I had the chance to learn many years ago through the Cornish Society of Victoria but at the time I was working full time and had 2 small children, so did not really have the time. Please do not misunderstand this following comment it is just an observation I love Australia, we are very fortunate to live in a country were we are allowed free speech and most of us have a great standard of living, But by migration I feel we have lost part of ourselves. I often see indigenous people say they have lost part of their heritage, which is sad. Most people assume that because our ancestors were from Great Britain we are all the same but that is not so and I often feel I have lost part of me. (I speak for myself I am a mix) I have also a strong connection to my maternal grandfathers Scottish heritage as well, once again a different language. My scottish grandfather was fluent in Gaelic, my mother knew a few words and passed them down, so I know a few words too. I thought I had the family tree down pat but not so sure anymore since the surname Quick has come up in conversation. I have Thomas (my ancestor as a son of Thomas and Jane Grenfell, Thomas is a son of William and Elizabeth Bolitho (Why am i not rich) William is a son of William 1734 and Margery Richards and William 1734 there are 2, one a son of William and Jone (Trewhella) and the other a son of John Curnow and Mary (Thomas)? I have always thought I was from William and Jone? Am I correct. I have discovered a friend of mine in real life (I have one friend I think lol) is married to a lady who has Curnow ancestors he is sending me the names of her ancestors so I can help (me I cant even get me right) but I will do my best. Perhaps because I have cabin fever I may be reading too much into my search. There is only so much Netflix one can stand for the day. Anyway thank you. Please stay safe. kind regards Laurin
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 2, 2020 0:34:36 GMT -5
I have Thomas (my ancestor as a son of Thomas and Jane Grenfell, Thomas is a son of William and Elizabeth Bolitho (Why am i not rich) William is a son of William 1734 and Margery Richards and William 1734 there are 2, one a son of William and Jone (Trewhella) and the other a son of John Curnow and Mary (Thomas)? I have always thought I was from William and Jone? Am I correct.
Yes, William Curnow and Jone Trewhella is correct.
Let us know how you go with your friends Curnow connections. We will try to 'unconfuse' you if necessary.
Post by moontacurnow on Apr 2, 2020 21:49:39 GMT -5
G'day everyone. I recieved by mail my friends list of Curnows, is quite confusing as they were listed by name only and in what relationship they were to Thomas 1555 It would seem that my friends wife descends from John Curnow he says `1615 but I have it as 1622. As I have discovered I have Quick ancestors this is a quick message
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 3, 2020 7:31:55 GMT -5
That does sound rather abstract so you would probably need to ask for some more details of some of those people.
RE John Curnow - I don't know if you are aware of it but Thomas Curnow of Towednack actually had two sons named John. In his Will he named those sons as John the elder and John the younger but unfortunately there are not enough surviving records to accurately determine when they were born. My own estimation is that the elder John was born probably sometime before 1613 whilst the younger, as he does not appear to have signed the Protestation Returns of 1641, was probably born after 1622. The elder John married Johanna Vibert at Gulval in 1638 whilst the younger appears to have married Mary Baragwanath sometime around 1650.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 5, 2020 17:18:42 GMT -5
No worries Laurin, I will await further information.
I am tucked up at home working on other families at the moment so quite safe. I only need to go to the supermarket once in a while, the Post Office if I get notification of a parcel or the fire station if we get a turnout as a general rule. As of this week I need to get to the fire station a bit more as I am responsible for servicing fire extinguishers around the area and they are due to be done this month and next month. I don't anticipate any problems but will be taking precautions.
Post by moontacurnow on Apr 6, 2020 1:13:36 GMT -5
Hi CT I recieved mail today, he has printed off his wifes entire family tree lol, so I have pages everywhere I think I am allowed to say here she is descended from John Curnow and Johanna Vibert if that helps I know the feeling, re shopping have just come home, only allowing 3 at a time in the Post Office here and no more than 10 in the Chemist. Lots are asking you to pay by card