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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 19, 2019 13:52:46 GMT -5
Good morning CT
I was wondering if you had the 1832 marriage at Lelant between Henry UREN and Elizabeth VIVIAN in your database? I can't work it out at the moment but will explain more when I know if you have had a look at it before previously.
Lannanta
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Post by kernow60 on Oct 19, 2019 14:32:39 GMT -5
The marriage of Henry Uren and Elizabeth Vivian was held 28th July 1832. The witnesses were John Berriman and James Uren.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 19, 2019 14:58:31 GMT -5
I have the marriage record but I have not processed the information into my database as yet. The date is correct but unfortunately you have the witness names messed up just a little. The witnesses were JOB Berriman and SAMUEL Uren.  The record does not offer any additional information about the groom or bride apart from their names but it is worth noting that Henry Uren signed his own name whereas the bride made her mark. CT |
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 19, 2019 15:45:48 GMT -5
CT and Kernow60
Yes the second witness was Henry's brother Samuel - sons of Vincent Uren and Jane nee Bennetts.
But for the marriage it isn't that simple. The first two children were Henry Vivian Uren, and Mary Vivian Uren. Then follows a few more:- Elizabeth, Jane, Charles Morley, William, Jane, Emily Morley and Sarah Jane.
The interesting thing is that for all the children following the first two, and whose births are able to be seen on the GRO indexes, the mothers maiden name was Morley.
The family is found in the 1841 census but by the 1851 census Elizabeth, the wife, has died and her mother Christian Morley is in the household.
I will leave you to get your head around that first.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 19, 2019 17:30:51 GMT -5
On reading your latest a logical solution sprang immediately to mind  but I thought it best to check the theory before making mention of it here. Investigations proved my theory correct and it is as follows:- Elizabeth Uren of Carnes Downs age 32 was buried at Phillack 7th January 1836 Henry Uren age 33 widower miner of Ewny Lelant son of Vincent Uren miner and Elizabeth Morley age 26 spinster of Phillack daughter of Charles Morley joiner were married at Phillack 3rd August 1837 - Witnesses:- Samuel Uren and William Morley  Elizabeth Pengeable daughter of Charles Morely and Xtian his wife was baptized at St Erth 17th May 1812 That should prevent some hair loss for a while!  CT |
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 20, 2019 0:28:22 GMT -5
Yes CT, I came to the same conclusion. What tipped me off was Christian Morley being called a stepmother in the 1851 census as opposed to mother in law. I know that sometimes the two get interchanged but it sent me down the same path as you and I came to the same conclusion.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 20, 2019 5:44:46 GMT -5
Great Minds! Also - I don't think Sarah Jane belongs to this family. There was at least one other Uren marriage where the wife's maiden name was Morley and having children around the same time. CT |
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Post by Glazin2018 on Oct 20, 2019 7:30:23 GMT -5
CT
Yes I agree with Sarah Jane. There is not enough time difference between her and Emily Morley UREN to allow her to be a member of this family in my opinion.
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but I thought it best to check the theory before making mention of it here. Investigations proved my theory correct and it is as follows:-
