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Post by Hardy on Feb 26, 2019 3:29:50 GMT -5
I have a marriage record for Mary Glasson (b1796 - Paul, d.1869 Towednack) and James Quick (b1793 - Towednack, d1881 Towednack) of 3 July 1821 in Paul.
As per a search of OPC I get the following children all baptised in Towednack to be: - Mary Glasson Quick 1822 - Paul Quick 1824 - Ann Quick 1825 - Mary Quick 1826 - James Quick 1827 - Ann Quick 1830. (Ann "Nanny" Quick d.1901 South Invercargill, New Zealand) - Elizabeth Quick 1831 - Wilmot Jane Quick 1831 - Robert Quick 1835 - Grace Quick 1836 (d.Apr 1837) - Elizabeth Quick 1837 - Grace Quick 1842 - ? Quick 1843 - Alice Quick 1847
From the 1841 Census I get a girl by the name of Eliza Glasson Quick aged 1. I'm assuming that this is the above mentioned Elizabeth bap 1837.
There is however another name that comes up via the 1911 Census John Glasson Quick b. Abt 1843 in Towendack.
Am I right is assuming that "illegible Quick" who was baptised "?? April" is indeed John Glasson Quick?
Any feedback on either the above family list or alternatively my two assumptions would be appreciated.
Peter
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 26, 2019 5:39:36 GMT -5
Seems to me you may need to broaden your thinking a little. It is a very easy trap to fall into but there were actually two families of James and Mary Quick baptizing children at Towednack! One was James Quick and Mary Glasson and the other was James Quick and Mary Quick. The list of children for the Glasson marriage is as follows:- 1. Mary Glasson Quick bp. 11th August 1822 Towednack (married Thomas Ninnis Stevens at Towednack 1860 and buried at Zennor 1893) 2. Paul Quick bp. 8th August 1824 Towednack (married Jane Sandford) 3. Ann Quick bp. 2nd July 1826 (privately) Towednack and buried 19th July 1826 Towednack 4. James Quick bp. 9th September 1827 Towednack (married Nancy Bryant Wilds at the Wesleyan Chapel at St Ives in 1867 and buried Barnoon Cemetery St Ives in 1890) 5. Ann Quick bp. 14th July 1830 Towednack (married James Troon at Towednack in 1857 and died NZ 1901) 6. Robert Quick born 18th April and bp. 3rd June 1832 Towednack (married Marth Ann Jefferson at Geelong, Victoria 1858 and died St Arnaud 1896) 7. Wilmot Jane Quick bp. 21st September 1834 Towednack (married William Vine Hutchings at the Wesley Rock Chapel, Heamoor in 1874 and died in Lancashire in 1876) 8. Elizabeth bp. 30th April 1837 Towednack (married Thomas Semmens at Towednack in 1862 and died at Penzance in 1910) 9. Eliza Glasson Quick bp. 10th November 1839 Towednack (married William Michell in the Penzance District in 1869 and died at Devonport, Devon in 1923) 10. John Glasson Quick bp. 30th April 1843 Towednack (married Mary Thomas Dunstan at the Weselayn Chapel Penzance in 1881 and died at Regina, Sasketchewan, Canada in 1923) The above list shows the true value of 'assumptions'.  Yes (as per the above list), I just had another look at the Bishops Transcripts for this one as I could not make it out earlier. The page is badly damaged but the baptism is definitely April 1843 and I can just make out what looks like a '3'. John was the last baptism on the page and the previous baptism was April 17th. As the next page begins with 4 and possibly 5 further baptisms all for April 30th I have concluded that John Glasson Quick was baptized on that same date. (He was baptized simply as 'John'. CT |
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Post by Hardy on Feb 26, 2019 7:52:39 GMT -5
...... there were actually two families of James and Mary Quick baptizing children at Towednack! Bingo. Once again many thanks CT.
It was worrying me that there may have been another family in the mix but for some reason I hadn't suspected it was James & Mary Quick (m. 26 March 1825.) It may have been that James and Mary Glasson were married in Paul and this isn't regarded as a "nearby" Parish to Towednack in the OPC search criteria.
Anyway all good now.
So it would seem that I'm back on the right path and now next up is to tidy up my Paul Quick & Jane Sandford Australian records and then the wrinkles will have been ironed out of this part of my wife's family tree.
Peter
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Post by Hardy on Feb 27, 2019 7:24:31 GMT -5
Seems to me you may need to broaden your thinking a little. It is a very easy trap to fall into ....... Hi CT. A quick question if I may. (no pun intended  )
Putting aside the two baptisms prior to the 1825 marriage of James Quick and Mary Quick and the 1839 baptism of Eliza Glasson Quick (which doesn't come up in the OPC list, FindMyPast, FamilySearch or Ancestry) what evidence have I missed in being able to differentiate between the remaining children and their respective families?? You see what was perhaps throwing me off was that it would now appear that not only were there two contemporary Quick families with Towednack baptism registrations but both families were also noted as residing in Trevija / Treveidga / Trevegia / Trevega. “ An Index to the Historical Place Names of Cornwall: Vol 2 - L to Z” By Chris Bond mentions similar places, namely “Treviga or Trevissa – Towednack tenement 1842” or “Trevidgia – Towednack farm 1884”. From the references quoted by Bond these appear to be the same place. I'm able to see where "Trevidgia" is located on the Ordinace Survey Map - First Series (1805) and and today on Google Earth in this location is a place identified as “Little Trevega”. Courtesy of street view we can see that this is a hamlet with maybe 5 – 6 dwellings plus outbuildings.
So the Mary Glasson family and the Mary Quick family, if not living on the same farm property, were certainly quite close neighbours. Without having the access to primary evidence as you do, I'm wondering what other avenue might have been readily relied upon to independently allocate these children correctly without asking for assistance via the Forum? None of the names seem to readily lend themselves to one lineage over the other.
Thanks for any advice you may have to offer.
Peter
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 27, 2019 11:58:52 GMT -5
I presume you have access to the UK Census? - If so then I would suggest that is as good a primary source as you will find for those children born prior to Civil Registration in 1837. For children born from July 1837 onwards you can use the GRO Index which now supplies the maiden name of the mother for birth records.
The 1839 baptism of Eliza Glasson Quick does not appear in the resources you have quoted because the Towednack baptism registers from 1813-1858 have not been made available and also because 1839 is one of the years missing from the BTs. It does however appear in the Cornwall Family History Society collection of Pam Drake's transcriptions which can be purchased as PDF files. (One think to keep in mind with these transcripts is that they are not all entirely accurate. In fact the Zennor Baptism transcript is actually a shambles with errors all over the place. The Towednack one also has at least one apparent error that I just found - the baptism of Ann Quick appears in that transcript as 14th July 1830 but the BTs show the baptism as 14th March 1830.)
CT
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Post by Hardy on Jun 28, 2019 23:18:10 GMT -5
You see what was perhaps throwing me off was that it would now appear that not only were there two contemporary Quick families with Towednack baptism registrations but both families were also noted as residing in Trevija / Treveidga / Trevegia / Trevega. Well looks like I may have found an answer to my own above observations regarding Trevegia.
The following extract is taken from the 1892 book “A history of the parishes of St. Ives, Lelant, Towednack and Zennnor” by John Hobson Matthews:
“The parish of Towednack also affords some interesting examples of old Cornish domestic architecture, as, for instance, the farmstead of Trevegia, or as it is so often called, Trevessa (Trevisa) a primitive village in the parish of Towednack and one of the old homes of the Stevens clan. The farmstead has probably been inhabited, ever since it was built, by a family named Quick. It is of the usual type of Western farmhouse, with a narrow high-walled court in front, having a wide doorway, through which, in former times, the stock were driven in for the night. On the lintel of this gateway is the inscription” “P:J:Q: 1702” (Paul and Jane Quick). The windows of the house have formerly been mullioned and diamond-paned, but all the leaden sashes and most of the mullions have been removed. The house is now divided (between two branches of the family) into two separate dwellings.” |
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