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Post by spikeharwood on Sept 25, 2018 4:15:50 GMT -5
My two times great grandmother Elizabeth Nicholas bpt 1844 St Erth, had a brother James who married Ann Reynolds. They had ten children as far as I can tell, the youngest of whom was Ethel (born 21 June 1887 according to the 1939 Register). Ethel had a son born 28 August 1904 who she named James Quick Nicholas. On Saturday Ancestry kindly delivered me my 301st DNA 4th cousin match. According to the paper trail we are in fact 4th cousins descending from the Elizabeth and James siblings respectively. I’ve had some correspondence with said 4th cousin and it’s her recollection that Ethel was in service and became pregnant to one of the local gentry’s sons, with Quick as the obvious surname. It’s a bit of a long shot but does anyone have any idea who the father might have been or how we might find out who it was (other than DNA of course)? I can’t see anything in the Bastardry bonds. We are probably looking in the St Erth region.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 25, 2018 12:42:37 GMT -5
Spike - my last database entry for this family was back in 2000 so at the moment I only have children James Nicholas/Ann Reynolds to 1880 with the baptism of son Richard Reynolds Nicholas. However after looking at the 1901 Census I see the family was then living at Canonstown, Ludgvan with Richard, James and Ethel the only children living at home on Census night. In 1911 Ethel, with her son James, was still living at Canonstown with her then widowed father and an elder sister Janie.
There are a number of things that provide obstacles:- 1. If Ethel was 'in service' then she may or may not have been employed locally. She could have been in Penzance, St Ives, Phillack or St Hilary for example - or she could have been closer to home in Ludgvan, Canonstown, Whitecross or back at St Erth. 2. Wherever Ethel was employed it was four years on from the 1901 Census and six years short of the 1911 Census so the man involved may or may not have been living or working in the same place in either of those years as when he had his liaison with Ethel. 3. No occupation for Ethel is entered in either Census although in 1911 you can see the imprint from where 'Domestic Servant' had been written on the previous page. 4. We have no clue as to the age of the potential father.
However, on a quick (no pun intended) scan of the 1901 Census there were six male Quicks at Ludgvan who would have been no older than 27 in 1904. The only James is James Dunstan Quick who, with his parents and brother, was living with his Dunstan grandparents on the night of the Census. He was married in Canada sometime around 1915/16.
If there were any known 'skeleton' in the closet of James Dunstan Quick then the person that might have some knowledge would be 'Isambard' who is a member of this forum - but simply because the child was named James Quick Nicholas it does not necessarily follow that he was named for the reputed father. The reputed father may have been a Quick but it may have been his father who was named James.
You could chase around the 1901 and 1911 Census for ages and find several possible culprits but it may come down to DNA to prove the right one. BTW there were no Quicks at St Erth in the 1911 Census.
CT
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Post by Glazin2018 on Sept 25, 2018 14:35:10 GMT -5
CT
You might be in the grave before DNA ever got that easy to make such discoveries - so there is always the newspaper... :-)
James Dunstan Quick was a carpenter and therefore the culprit.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 25, 2018 16:05:04 GMT -5
Brilliant Lannanta! He was the most likely candidate and, perhaps, almost obvious. But I did want to be careful and leave the field and research possibilities open given the issue involved something relatively recent and especially as it involved someone who is part of the 'PG Family'. Now that the issue has been resolved with contemporary evidence that can be considered reliable maybe it can bring Spike and Isambard together. CT
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Post by spikeharwood on Sept 25, 2018 16:46:59 GMT -5
Brilliant Lannanta! CT Brilliant indeed, thank you both so much. There ain't nuttin you guys can't do
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Post by Isambard on Sept 26, 2018 15:36:21 GMT -5
Thanks to the Cornish Terrier this thread now has my (almost) undivided attention! Without passing judgement on a culprit (although the presented facts, all new to me, including James Quick Nicholas) appear to be clear, here is some additional information taken from my records:
Brothers Andrew Dunstan Quick and James Dunstan Quick left their home in Canonstown 11 June 1904. They sailed from Liverpool to Montreal on board the Lake Manitoba on 13 June 1904, destination Regina, Saskatchewan. Their respective trades were Stone Mason and Wheelright Carpenter. Their 1st cousin, William Glasson Semmens, Surveyor, was a fellow passenger, destination Calgary, Alberta.
James returned to Canonstown 15 Jan 1915 and left 11 May 1915, sailing on the Grampian from Liverpool 18 May 1915, destination Regina. He subsequently married in Canada in 1916 to (name withheld) whom he had met in Cornwall during his 1915 visit.
I can provide additional information, if of interest, via this site (if not sensitive to living family members) or by private msg. Additional Quick and Dunstan family tree information can be found on the Ancestry website, (Newton - MacDougall Trees) for those having a subscription.
Thanks Mike for starting this thread. You've given me some more names to research. Questions and comments welcomed.
Isambard
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Post by Isambard on Sept 26, 2018 17:03:01 GMT -5
Ooops! Correction - William Glasson's destination was Manitoba (Winnipeg). He married Margaret Isabel Corkhill 10 June 1905 in Montreal upon her arrival from England. They settled in Winnipeg, where they had three sons, the family then moving to Calgary by 1916.
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Post by spikeharwood on Sept 27, 2018 4:41:43 GMT -5
Hi Isambard, Well this is getting even more interesting! I sent my newly minted 4th cousin (I shall call her J) a doc copy of this thread up until you turned up. I suggested that if she didn’t want to know who the father of James Quick Nicholas was she shouldn’t open it and I would not mention him again. But she was very pleased that he had been found. JQN has a daughter still living and she is being kept in the loop. So, there are no sensitivities this end. Thank you for your tree name. I found it and recall seeing it previously. I assume you are descended from James Dunstan Quick’s sister? I’m thinking that you and J would be third cousins – give or take a removed. Looking at your tree it seems that James DQ only had the one daughter with his wife. Did she have children or did the line stop with her? James QN seems to have had at least six children and there are some descendants on Ancestry, at least three of whom have had DNA tests. I will provide J with an update; maybe she will pop in for a chat, she's very keen on her family history.
Spike
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 27, 2018 7:59:52 GMT -5
A collaborative effort seems to have come up trumps again and I am pleased to see it has brought more cousins together. CT
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Post by Isambard on Sept 27, 2018 19:55:33 GMT -5
Hi Spike, Yes, I'm a descendant of JDQ's sister - my paternal grandmother was Susie Josephine Quick. And yes again, JDQ and his wife had only one child, who did not marry or have children. She died in 2001. There are several relatives still alive who were close to JDQ, his wife and daughter, hence my caution in providing more information here.
Lets chat some more, here or by private msg. J is welcome to pop in!
Isambard
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Post by spikeharwood on Sept 28, 2018 3:45:27 GMT -5
Isambard, I’m happy to keep the chat on the Board as it adds to the record of events. We can message details of living people if required. I don’t need any detailed info about the Quicks, that being J’s line rather than mine. If she asks for anything specific I will pass the message on or as you said she is welcome to pop in. James Quick Nicholas married Emily Lucy Hubber (b 1905 Monmouth, Wales) and they had ten children. One only lived for two weeks. You’re going to have a bigger Christmas card list this year. Four of their children are still living. The following are the deceased. I’ve included their middle names as in most cases they were the names they were known by. All the males married and I have some of their spouses’ names and have asked for additional info from J. She lives in the UK and I’m in Australia so the turnaround for emails and responses is generally 24 hours! James Kenneth 01/03/25 - 05/08/75 William Reginald 15/05/26 - 00/12/86 1930 - still living Gertrude Iris 11/07/31 - 08/06/2003 Rosalind Hazel 17/04/35 - 00/03/2005 1936 - still living 1938 - still living Randolph Lawrence 03/01/1940 - 31/03/2008 1941 - still living
Spike
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Post by jackiemc on Sept 28, 2018 16:30:37 GMT -5
Thank you for asking me to join spikeharwood. I am new to all this family history stuff. Please forgive me if I make mistakes. I am so pleased to learn who my Grandad's father is. It has never been talked about in the family. Only as a joke. i.e the father learned Ethel was pregnant so he ran away quick, or the father's surname was Quick. I always thought it was someone called Quick. Grandad was a very honourable, honest man with great integrity and was very respected by everyone who knew him and I loved him. He never spoke to anyone about his past. I think he would be mortified to know I am digging around into his past, but I feel I need to know.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 28, 2018 17:03:19 GMT -5
Welcome aboard Jackie! I am sure this gathering will have lots to talk about both on and offline. CT
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Post by Glazin2018 on Sept 28, 2018 18:43:32 GMT -5
Hello Jackie
Welcome also. Can I say that some people have a need to know who they are.. in this world of today where we can be anywhere in it over the space of 24 hours it is easy to lose site of where you belong. The QUICK family that emigrated to Canada have a long history in the south west of Cornwall and in particular Towednack and Zennor and you will find with some ease now ancestors who were part of making you who you are today. Enjoy that knowledge as it comes to you.
Lannanta
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Post by Isambard on Sept 29, 2018 12:55:08 GMT -5
Hello Jackie
Welcome indeed! Lannanta's thoughts are very appropriate.
Since starting to investigate my family history some 18 years ago I have thoroughly enjoyed solving family mysteries and steeping in the history of my hitherto largely unknown Cornish (and Scottish) ancestors. I am still very much an amateur researcher compared to helpful folk such as the Cornish Terrier and Lannanta, particularly in working through the masses of information now available and solving the puzzles encountered.
If you are able to browse the photo gallery in my Newton-MacDougall tree site you'll find photos of Quicks and others, including James Dunstan Quick.
To update my files, could you or others help by commenting, correcting or adding to the following which summarizes my understanding of the information above? :
James Nicholas b. abt 1850 St. Erth, married Ann(e) Reynolds b. abt 1846 St. Erth, (date?). They had 10 children, of which Ethel was the youngest - b. 21 June 1887 St. Erth.
James Quick Nicholas, was your grandfather, b 28 August 1904 St. Erth, mother Ethel Nicholas, father James Dunstan Quick b. 18 May 1885 Trevessa Farm, Towednack.
James Quick Nicholas married Emily Lucy Hubber. They had ten children, as listed by Spike. I assume that you, Jackie are the daughter of one of these children.
Looking forward to more discussions!
Isambard
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