Post by cornishgal66 on Jul 17, 2018 6:26:43 GMT -5
Hi. Just found this. Trying to find out more about my family. I know my Grandmother was Florence King , I think from Penzance. I don't know her parents or if any siblings. She then married a Benjamin Holland I don't know his parents or any siblings either. Was told he was from Somerset. Also they were Romany Gypsies.both died in 1966 and are buried in St.Ives.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 17, 2018 7:40:30 GMT -5
Not much to go on but here is what little I have found after a brief search.
Benjamin Holland and Florence M King were married in the Penzance Registration District in the December Qtr of 1914. They may have married at St Ives or any of a number of other Parishes in the Penzance area or they could have married in the Registry Office at Penzance.
Florence M Holland age 74 died in the June Qtr of 1966 so was therefore born about 1892 Benjamin Holland age 78 died in the March Qtr of 1966 so born about 1888
AHA! - here we are, I just found the marriage!
Benjamin Holland age 27 a bachelor of 2 Prospect Place and Florence Muriel King age 23 a spinster of 3 Prospect Place were married at St Mary's Church Penzance 14th December 1914 with John Francis Barrett and Hester Holland as witnesses.
Benjamin was a wireman and son of Joseph Holland (deceased) a cutler Florence was the daughter of William King (deceased) a labourer
The GRO Index shows a possible birth for Florence King in the March Quarter of 1892 and in the Penzance Registration District. Registered as 'Florence King' so may or may not be your grandmother but the mother's maiden name was Peters.
The 1911 Census shows a Florence King age 20 living at Madron with parents William and Mary but I cannot yet find a marriage involving William King and Mary Peters.
I think the above will give you something to start with but it will need refining. Hopefully someone else can also weigh in with some help and information.
Post by spikeharwood on Jul 17, 2018 18:09:38 GMT -5
Find My Past has them in the 1939 Register living at St Ives. Benjamin's DOB is given as 22 Feb 1888 and Muriel F as 25 Dec 1891. There are nine children listed as living with them including two who are possibly still alive.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 18, 2018 2:09:46 GMT -5
I think we are getting somewhere.
I was concentrating on finding a marriage for William King to a Mary Peters based on the 1911 Census. It only occurred to me when I was trying to get to sleep that Mary might have been a stepmother to Florence King. Consequently I have taken another look at the situation and the situation as I see it, with Spike's input taken into account, is as follows.
William King was born at Heamoor, Madron about 1850 (1901 Census) and first married Elizabeth Ann PETERS in the June Qtr of 1882. Their first child appears to be a daughter Frances born about 1882/3 and she appears in the 1901 Census with her parents as Frances Cowling along with a one year old daughter. Other King children in the household were William age 14, Florence age 10 and Edward age 8.
In the June Qtr of 1908 there is a marriage for William King to Mary White Clifton - this may or may not be the second marriage for William King.
Spike's information from the 1939 Register for a birth in December 1891 for Florence Holland matches with the 1892 birth I mentioned in my first post. Remember that the FreeBMD/GRO Index information specifies when the birth was REGISTERED so a birth in December may not be registered until January or even February of the following year.
I think it is now up to cornishgal66 to take the information on board, see how it fits with what is already known and then begin the search for documentary evidence to support it.
Post by spikeharwood on Jul 18, 2018 4:03:58 GMT -5
Opps, had a message and lost it after my computer crashed and logged me out. Without rewriting it all, the gist was that the William King and Mary White Clifton were aged 23 in the 1911 Census so the 1908 marriage wouldn't have been the second for William.
Post by cornishgal66 on Jul 18, 2018 11:13:58 GMT -5
Thankyou so much to you both. Some info I didn't know. This is what I know. Florence Holland was born Christmas day as I have the same birthday. My Dad told me that they lived at Halsetown at some point.I know they lived at Alexandra road St.Ives. My Gran had a child out of wedlock and it wasn't my Grandads child. I knew him.as Willie Holland,he married to Caroline but don't know her maiden name. They had a son Billy, and lived in St.Ives. The other children I know of from my Grandparents are. Marcella she married Lewis Jennings,lived in Crowlas. Pheobe,she had a son Joseph, but he was brought up by my Grandparents. Eileen she died at 14 years old. Vivian he married Dorothy Nicholls and lived in Madron. Reginald married Sheila Gibbons and lived in Hayle. Russell (my dad) married Winifred Stephens and lived in St.Ives. Cecil B married Ruby Nicholls and lived in St.Ives. Benjamin married Mary, later remarried Margaret.lived in Hayle then Camborne. Doris married a Williams then remarried Harvey Pearce lived in St.Just then St.Ives. I know that my Gran had lost children in miscarriage and young children. And have found a few names listed but have no idea if they are them. My dad did say there was a youngster buried at Madron.Ive yet to find a residence with my Grandparents and their children listed. Also Im trying to find out our family connection with the Barretts and Jehus. From what I gather that it's on my Grandads side. I know that a Jane Holland married I think Jack Barrett. And one of their daughters Lillie married a Jehu. I was getting the impression that Jane was Benjamin sister.
Post by spikeharwood on Jul 18, 2018 17:21:21 GMT -5
I did notice Willie’s dob (1 July 1911) on the 1939 Register and thought Benjamin was unlikely to be the father. I thought he may have been a son from William King’s second marriage and that led me to the 1911 Census and ruling out Mary White Clifton as the second wife of William King. The actual second wife was 52 in 1911 so unlikely to be Willie's mother. I then found on GRO an entry for a William John King b Sep Q 1911, no mmn listed. This is probably Willie.