EDWIN AND EDWARD YOUNG - died, died, survived?

[Loolah]

Having spent a rather long time away from here (been investigating the Young branches elsewhere in the West country), I have begun tying up loose ends and I am back with yet another puzzle concernng the YOUNGs. Here goes (you ready CT? )

Tonkin and Elizabeth YOUNG (nee Clemens Wearne) had a son Edwin Young who was born 5 March 1860 and baptised on 26 July 1860 at St. Ives (Weslyan).

I have also found an Edwin Young baptised in St. Ives on 15 May 1879 s/o Tonkin and Elizabeth (Clemens) Young. It would suggest that the first Edwin may have died. So I looked for a burial of the first Edwin.

Now, there a burial for an Edward Young on 21 June 1877 age 18. If correct, this would put his birth around 1858/9

But I think that this lad is the son of Tonkin Young's brother, James Young (wife Lucy), who had a son named Edward who was baptised on 15 September 1858. This makes him the right age to be the Edward that died. (I must have had a death certificate at some point as I know he died of TB - I have spent hours looking for it to know avail )

So what happened to Tonkin's son, Edwin Young? Did the first one die? If so, where is the burial record? If they are not one in the same - where is number 2? He is not with his mother in the 1861 census. (I found an Edwin Young who died at sea in 1877. An Ordinary Seaman but with no age given and no other details)
I'm sure there is a simple explanation but it escapes me for now.

Anyone any ideas?
Thank you
Loolah

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Loolah - the shortest, simplest and most likely answer to your problem is that the two Edwins are one and the same person.

If you check the baptism records again (preferably the image of the page if possible) you will see that there were actually three children of Tonkin and Elizabeth Young baptized on the same day. Alfred and William are the 4th and 5th entries on the page respectively with register entry numbers of 812 and 813. In each case the birthdate is also recorded - 11th May 1862 for Alfred and 1st August 1866 for William).

The entry for Edwin on the other hand is added in with several others at the bottom of this page by the Vicar sometime later. And the note in the column beside these entries reads 'Received into the Church 15 May. And although the word 'born' is written beside the name of Edwin no date was ever entered.

It was not uncommon for children to baptized in one of the non-conformist Chapels and then baptized again at a later date into the Established Church. Thus 'Received into the Church' being written beside those late entries at the bottom of the page.

In the 1881 Census you can find your Edwin Young employed as a servant at St Pancras in London - his age is 19, his birthplace St Ives Cornwall and his occupation was as one of a number of Clerks to Messrs Oetzman. (If you search for this on Ancestry you will not find Edwin on the linked image, instead you need to click over to the next image in line where the staff of Messrs Oetzman are continued)

There are two ways you can confirm this is the correct Edwin - firstly go to FreeBMD and search for all Edwin Young births in Cornwall. You will find only 3 - 1855, 1860 and 1975 - a fair sign that the man in 1881 is the 1860 birth. The second check is with the GRO Index which confirms the maiden name for the 1860 birth as WEARNE (i.e. Elizabeth Clemens WEARNE).

So what happened to Tonkin's son, Edwin Young? Did the first one die? If so, where is the burial record? If they are not one in the same - where is number 2? He is not with his mother in the 1861 census.

I find your comment that 'he is not with his mother in the 1861 census' a little curious. Presuming that you mean Edwin Young then he is very clearly with his parents and siblings in 1861 at Terrace, St Ives.

On the other hand - if by 1861 you actually meant 1881 then I have shown above that Edwin was in London employed as a clerk.

I can find no sign of Edwin in England after 1881.

CT

[Loolah]

There you go! I knew if I asked, CT would come up trumps yet again. I think I had been staring at this for so long , I couldn't see the wood for the trees.
Thank you CT. So, Edwin born 1860 and Edwin baptised in 1875 are the same people - I hadn't seen an image of the baptism record. Excellent, I can stop chasing my tail now. Yes, it was a slip of the finger, I had meant 1881 - you are correct, he certainly was with his family in 1861. Thanks to you, I can now see Edwin working for Mr Oetzman in 1881.
Well that's solved.
My thanks once again CT.
x

[Cornish Terrier]

My pleasure Loolah.