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Post by faxman8 on Jul 14, 2017 10:58:04 GMT -5
My name is Barry Jenkin, gggrandson of John Eddyvean b. 1835 d. abt. 1861 married to Emma May Eddyvean Berryman 1835 to 1917. Their daughter Elizabeth Ann Eddyvean was my great grandmother.
For the paste 9 yrs. I have been trying to confirm when, how and where John E. died (he was a tin/copper miner in the Penzance area).
Can anyone suggest how I could answer this question.
Barry Jenkin PA-USA faxman8@aol.com John Semmens Jenkin Family Tree |
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Post by tenpoundpom on Jul 14, 2017 13:56:41 GMT -5
My name is Barry Jenkin, gggrandson of John Eddyvean b. 1835 d. abt. 1861 married to Emma May Eddyvean Berryman 1835 to 1917. Their daughter Elizabeth Ann Eddyvean was my great grandmother.
For the paste 9 yrs. I have been trying to confirm when, how and where John E. died (he was a tin/copper miner in the Penzance area).
Can anyone suggest how I could answer this question.
Barry Jenkin PA-USA faxman8@aol.com John Semmens Jenkin Family Tree Hello Barry, GRO does show a death for John Eddyvean in 1861, registered at Penzance. The GRO index states his age as 60 years, but the image on freeBMD does not show an age. Ordering the certificate may be your best option to see if this is your relative and answer your questions. TPP |
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Post by sue on Jul 14, 2017 14:49:03 GMT -5
www.cornwall-opc-database.orghas a transcribed from parish register entry corresponding to the FBMD 1861 death: 10 Oct 1861 St Erth John Edyvean age 60. That would not correspond to a chap born c.1835..... OPC also has what looks like the relevant marriage entry, transcribed from the Cornish Telegraph 22 Nov 1854: John Edyvean of St Erth to Miss Emma May of St Erth on 18th. I note that OPC also shows a baptism 24 April 1863 of an Edyvean child (born 1855) to a John & Emma of Relubbus St Hilary. On Freecen, there is also a rather complicated-looking (perhaps partially mistranscribed?) household in the 1861 census (7 April 1861) that includes a widowed Emma Edyvean, head of household Robert May..... Elizabeth Ann Edyvean age 4 born St Erth present. I would guess that would make Emma the rather interesting 1871 entry at Lelant St Erth, young Eddyvean children + Matthew Berryman present... If you're not familiar with the OPC website, may I suggest you have a good look at it, as it's invaluable! Sue
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Post by zibetha on Jul 14, 2017 22:39:15 GMT -5
Hi, Barry, we are very distant a la 13th cousins?--- I have stumbled upon your tree from time to time over the years. Glad to see you have signed on here. What we have in common I think goes back to the Veale family, but I suspect I am probably missing a more obvious Semmons link.
Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 15, 2017 4:20:22 GMT -5
From previous research on this family I had discovered that the child (John) was later adopted by Emma's aunt Elizabeth and her husband Michael Curnow Taylor. Elizabeth was the sister to Robert May.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 15, 2017 4:54:36 GMT -5
Hmmmm ..... methinks the Danish Fishmarket has run into odour problems again!!! It seems to be commonly understood amongst at least the Ancestry Online Family Tree community that the second husband of Emma May was one Matthew Mitchell Berryman.  I'M AFRAID I AM GOING TO HAVE TO DISPUTE THAT CONCLUSION!  I will start off with a few facts about Matthew:- 1. Matthew Michell son of William and Wilmot Berriman of Chivytodden was baptized at Towednack 11th May 1834 2. Matthew Michell Berriman and Zenobia Daniel, both of St Ives, were married at St Ives by Banns 3rd December 1855 3. In 1861 Matthew and Zenobia were living at Stennack, St Ives - no children 4. In 1871 Zenobia Daniel, wife of a tin miner, was living at Halse Town - husband not present but again no children present 5. Zenobia Berryman of Halse Town age 41 was buried at Zennor 24th March 1876 Now then - Emma May is supposed to have married Matthew Michell Berryman in 1873 but as you can see in the above Matthew was still married to Zenobia at the time and she did not die until three years later!!!  Unless there was a Divorce or a Bigamous marriage involved then I would have to conclude that the Matthew Berryman who married widowed Emma Edyvean in 1873 could not have been Matthew Michell Berryman. The problem now is that so far I cannot find another Matthew born about 1835 at Ludgvan. CT |
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Post by sue on Jul 15, 2017 6:01:42 GMT -5
I so really don't like online trees that get copied around as 3rd or 20th-hand "research"! In this instance, I'm thinking not to dismiss the possibility of bigamy immediately, although it would be pretty brazen, given the proximity!!.... (can't immediately see a divorce reference in the National Archives index online....) This reminds me a little of a case we unravelled a few years ago concerning an Ann Glasson, as I recall, who had various children with another woman's husband, eventually marrying him the moment the legal wife was buried.....  (Halsetown, St. Ives, March 28 1876, Zenobia, wife of Mr. Matthew Berryman, aged 41 - Royal Cornwall Gazette). I see the Matthew Berryman concerned seems to have inconveniently died 1877 age 42 buried 28 July St Erth. Could be another case where a marriage cert showing the father's name might be needed as actual evidence of identity. Sue STOP PRESS! BINGO! (I think.....) 26 August 1874 The Cornish Telegraph. I don't have full access to this, but a search of the newspaper index on FMP gives enough to indicate we might have them! " Bigamist Applicant foe RELrer.—The female, with whom contract marriage had teen entered into, the Registrar’s office, with Matthew Berryman, of St. Erth. whilst his Si? wS.\t present, living California, was furtherrelief for theman. now ill. with whom she lived " There is also a 17 September 1873 entry that might relate to the Berryman~Edyvean marriage..... ................................... This may not be answering the question of what happened to Emma's 1st husband John Edyvean - who we haven't yet identified evidentially for certain I have to say, as we haven't seen a marriage transcript naming his father, for example - , the direct ancestor of faxman8, but painting the wider picture is so great! Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 15, 2017 6:59:47 GMT -5
Excellet Sue! - see what happens when you sneak a kitten into the pigeon coop!  If someone with FMP subs might be able to obtain the full details I think it would help immensely.  CT |
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Post by pollyq on Jul 15, 2017 11:31:51 GMT -5
The Penzance Board of Guardians - The Bigamist Applicant for Relief.
The female, with whom a contract of marriage had been entered into, at the Registrar's office, with Matthew Berryman, of St Erth, whilst his wife was, at present, living in California, was present asking further relief for the man, now ill, with whom she lived and had children. - The Chairman laid the gravity of the offence she had commited very forcibly before the woman; and stated that she must not consider herself as Berryman's wife. - The woman seemed to feel the abject position in which she had placed herself; but pleaded that, when she had married to Berryman, she had no knowledge of his wife being alive, in another country. - The case was considered, and the previous order - that the House be offered - was unanimously confirmed.
The Cornish Telegraph - Wednesday 26 August 1874, page 3 (I think as the scanners haven't included the page numbers in the image!)
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Post by pollyq on Jul 15, 2017 11:56:44 GMT -5
And previously....
The Penzance Board of Guardians - A Case of Bigamy.
A man named Berryman, living at St Erth, and in the receipt of relief on account of illness, some years since got married and left for California. For several years his wife heard nothing of him, and thought he was dead. At length the wanderer returned, and took up his abode with a widow, by whom he had three children. A few moths ago the widow and the man were married, the first wife, it was elicited, being still alive. - The case having been considered, the Chairman suggested that, from the character of the case, all pay should cease and the House be offered. - The Rev. D.J. Harrison and Mr F. Craze considered this to be the right course to be adopted, with which the guardians agreed. But, seeing that the man was now ill, a fortnight's relief was granted, and then an abode in the House is to be offered.
The Cornish Telegraph - Wednesday 12 August 1874, page 3.
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Post by sue on Jul 15, 2017 13:36:15 GMT -5
Thankyou PollyQ! I had it in mind that John Edyvean 1st husband of Emma perhaps disappeared off abroad in the 1850s & didn't make contact with Emma hence her considering herself a widow.... and now we have a newspaper saying that Matthew Berryman the 2nd "husband" did a variation on that..... Why did Emma & Matthew have 3 children prior to the bigamous marriage? The newspaper story seems a little bizarre to me..... Specially with Zenobia who is currently in the frame as wife no 1 for Matthew Berryman being just down the road in 1871 census.... And when CT has got all this sussed & banged to rights  ), I think it would be good to look at the John Edyveans in the frame to have married Emma May in 1854 and be "of St Erth" at that time. I think there is more than one possibility.... the tantalising single retired miner John S Edyvean 1891 age 60 with sister Eliza at St Erth, died November 1899 per same online newspaper source, would I think 1871 be at St Erth farming with wife Jane, and with S for Stevens as a middle name indicates his mother was Prudence Stevens ...... but these John Edyveans need more looking into in terms of facts. I would just add that if John Edyvean is the son of John Edyvean & Alice Pickens of St Hilary, then I note that brother Robert took off to Lancashire; that's practically disappearing off abroad...! There is on Lancashire OPC a John Edyvean buried 16 March 1878 age 46 Radcliffe, & some baptisms in Radcliffe for father John. collier/miner e.g. Esther Ann 1870, joseph 1870, Henry 1871, Eliza 1874, Martha 1876.... but probably unconnected, have yet to find them in censuses to check birthplace of John Edyvean. Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 15, 2017 15:05:52 GMT -5
There can be little doubt that John Edyvean, husband of Emma May, was the son of John Edyvean and Alice Pickens. John and Emma had one known child - son John baptized St Hilary 24th April 1863 and birthdate recorded as 6th March 1855. This birth is verified by the GRO Index which shows the birth of John EDDYVEAN in the Penzance R.D. in the March Qtr of 1855 - mother's maiden name MAY.
Also confirming the identity of the elder John is the 1861 Census which shows the younger John at age 5 living at St Hilary with his grandmother Alice Eddyvean. Also present were other children of Alice namely Robert age 19, James age 16, Mary P age 13, Thomas age 11 and Edmund age 7.
The John Edyvean at Radcliffe in 1871 is not the son of John and Alice or husband of Emma. This John was recorded age 41 in the 1871 Census and was with wife Jane and seven children who had all been born at St Erth. His 1854 marriage to Jane Treloar at Crowan shows he was the son of a John Edyvean and states that he was a bachelor at the time. I believe him to have been the son of John Edyvean and Ann Penberthy who married at St Erth in 1828.
CT
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Post by sue on Jul 18, 2017 3:51:32 GMT -5
I should have tried harder to find the various John Edyveans! So John Stevens Edyvean is also out of the picture, marrying another Jane, 1871 St Erth farmer then later with widowed sister Eliza then inquest death c1899. I see Emma was in all sorts of trouble over the years, what with Thomas Edyvean age 7 in 1861 present with her & her May parents probably being the FBMD birth December Q 1853 Penzance RD as Thomas May. (He is possibly the Thomas Bear May buried Sep Q 1870 Penzance RD, buried 17 September 1870 St Erth but I haven't looked at other possibilities for this death. However, this "Bear" might indicate the father's surname....) If Emma already had a child out of wedlock in 1853, then at the 1854 marriage to John Edyvean was c5months pregnant (John being born March 1855), I think I've several times previously seen someone marrying the girl to give her a chance, then disappearing off abroad..... In which case, unless he got a mention in the American/Aus newspapers (or wherever) because of perhaps a mine accident, I would think the chances of tracking down his death are slim.  Sue |
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I will start off with a few facts about Matthew:-
(Halsetown, St. Ives, March 28 1876, Zenobia, wife of Mr. Matthew Berryman, aged 41 - Royal Cornwall Gazette).
), I think it would be good to look at the John Edyveans in the frame to have married Emma May in 1854 and be "of St Erth" at that time. I think there is more than one possibility.... the tantalising single retired miner John S Edyvean 1891 age 60 with sister Eliza at St Erth, died November 1899 per same online newspaper source, would I think 1871 be at St Erth farming with wife Jane, and with S for Stevens as a middle name indicates his mother was Prudence Stevens ...... but these John Edyveans need more looking into in terms of facts.