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Post by lipkatatar on Sept 15, 2016 16:00:42 GMT -5
I have problems with the identity of the Jakeh Grenfell who married Jane Trezise in St Just on 21 Jul 1804. It appears to be accepted that this Jakeh was the son of John Grenfell and Grace Williams whose baptism was recorded on 9 Jun 1761. It also appears to be accepted that this Jakeh and Jane were the parents of 6 children:John,1805;Thomasin,1808;Jane,1810; Jakeh,1813; John,1816; Henry Trezise,1820. In the 1841 Census we find Jakeh and Jane, both 65, living with youngest son Henry, aged 20. Ages were rounded to the nearest 5 in the 1841 Census but Jakeh's age would have been out by 15 years. In 1846 we have the death of Jane Grenfell(73) and in 1847 the death of John Grenfell (76) both of Bossorne. It seems that the Jakeh Grenfell who married Jane Trezise in 1804 may a different John Grenfell from the one born in 1761. Can anyone help?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 16, 2016 8:37:20 GMT -5
I think you may find that this is a case of 'long-term misrepresentation of age' which is not really such a rare occurrence. I have often mentioned a Grace Trewhella who appeared in every Census up to 1891. Her age in every Census reflected a different year of birth with the difference being up to about 20 years!! And even when she died her age was several years out in relation to her year of baptism.
After rechecking my records I find that there is only ONE Jakeh/Jaketh Grenfell (and variants) baptised prior to 1813 and he is the son of John and Grace in 1761. I had not as yet pursued Jakeh any further after his marriage so was unaware that he became 'John' when his children were baptised or when he died although he was Jakeh in the 1841 Census
But I have now also checked birth/baptisms for the name John Grenfell (and variants including Grinfield etc.). To match the recorded age at burial 'John/Jaketh' would have been born around about 1771 but the only Johns recorded in Cornwall around that time are as follows:-
John Grenfell at St Ives 1768
John Maughm Grenville Grenfell at St Hilary 1772
John Grenfell at St Ives 1776
In the 1760s there is Jakeh in 1761 and Johns in 1761 and 1762 at St Just, 1764 and 1765 at St Ives and 1767 at St Hilary.
Unless there is a missing baptism I think the conclusion must be that Jakeh was indeed the person baptised at St Just in 1761.
CT
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Post by white on Sept 16, 2016 10:03:46 GMT -5
Yes CT, definitely the correct person
If you are interested I can send a large file for the Grenfells.
Roy White
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 16, 2016 10:34:21 GMT -5
Hi Roy - thanks but I think you already sent me that file quite some time back when I was looking to correctly identify the Jane Grenfell who married Henry Trevela in 1803. Main thing here is that we have the right information for Lipkatatar.  CT |
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Post by lipkatatar on Sept 16, 2016 14:21:10 GMT -5
I would be most interested to hear why Roy White is confident about the identity of Jakeh Grenfell. I am struggling to accept that an 80 year old man would still be working as a tin miner in 1841. The age on the Census form was 67, rounded down to 65, which, if correct, would give a birth date of around 1774.
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