1. born 1747 d/o Robert and MITCHELL 2. born 1745 d/o William and Jane VERRANT
Which one married Paul MICHELL in 1766? and died after childbirth in 1770
You have raised an interesting issue regarding a much less researched part of the GLASSON family.
Interestingly there were two Dorothy's that married a Paul Michell.. the first being Dorothy, the daughter of John GLASSON and Dorothy VERRANT, baptised 22 February 1721, and she married 23rd August 1740 at Crowan. She is often missed as her surname was spelt as Glazant in Phillimores.
I do not have the immediate answer to your particularquery, however I suspect there are three Dorothy's to choose from:
Daughter of William GLASSON and Joan VERRANT, baptised at Camborne on the 28th April, 1745. Daughter of John GLASSON and Ann PERKIN, baptised at Camborne on the 20th July 1746. Daughter of Robert GLASSON and Susanna MICHELL, baptised at Crowan on the 24th June 1747.
From there we get three marriages: William EUSTICE on the 17th February 1765 at Crowan. Paul MICHELL on the 30th June 1766 at Gwinear. Thomas JAGO on the 28th February 1767 at Crowan.
I am suggesting that a study of the children from the three marriages might indicate the likely connections.
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 13, 2015 4:18:45 GMT -5
I must say that I now know I had this one wrong. But after studying the signiatures of witnesses I can at least narrow the field down a little for you.
Each of the following three marriages was witnessed by the same John Glasson:-
John Glasson and Ann Hampton 25th December 1756 Crowan Elizabeth Glasson and Samuel Caddy 4th February 1760 Crowan Dorothy Glasson and William Eustis 17th February 1765 Crowan
The signiature of the witness (John Glasson) in each case is as near identical as can be which very strongly suggests that the above were all siblings with their father as the witness. That is these three were the children of John Glasson and his first wife Ann Perkin.
I am going to update my database accordingly and will then see if I can use the same process to try and identify each of the remaining two Dorothy Glassons.
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 13, 2015 5:07:48 GMT -5
The second part of this problem is a little more tricky because the names of the children from the two remaining Dorothy Glasson marriages are going to be of no help at all.
Paul Michell and Dorothy Glasson had but one child - daughter Dorothy.
Thomas Jago and Dorothy Glasson had several children - Christian, Dorothy, Grace, Thomas, Dorothy, Thomas and Thomas. Of these the only slim piece of help might be daughter Grace who 'might' have been named for the Grace Glasson who married James Michell at Gwinear in 1755 and who I currently show as daughter of William Glasson and Jone Verrant. (A William Glasson witnessed the marriage of James Michell and Grace Glasson.)
And I have found one further piece of information that might be of potentially more help although it might depend on your identification of the John Glasson who married Ann Arthur at Crowan in 1767.
Once again I have utilized the witness signiatures to help solve this problem and I discovered the following:-
1. The Paul Michell who married Dorothy Glasson was also the same Paul Michell who witnessed the marriage of John Glasson to Ann Arthur. 2. The signiature of the John Glasson who married Ann Arthur is very similar to that of the John Glasson who witnessed the marriage of Paul Michell and Dorothy Glasson. (He signed 'John' at his own marriage but 'Jno' as the witness)
My conclusions are:- 1. John Glasson (m. Ann Arthur) and Dorothy Glasson (m. Paul Michell) were siblings. 2. They are now almost certainly the children of William Glasson and Jone Verrant.
The only other possibility is that they were children of Robert and Susanna but we are already comfortable that their son John married Blanch Kemp especially as they named a daughter Susanna. I think Burial and Census records also help with this conclusion.
So to précis my findings and identify each of the three Dorothy Glassons:-
1. Dorothy Glasson m. Paul Michell - daughter of William Glasson and Jone Verrant 2. Dorothy Glasson m. William Eustis - daughter of John Glasson and Ann Perkin 3. Dorothy Glasson m. Thomas Jago - daughter of Robert Glasson and Susannah Mitchell
And if I am correct then it also solves the problem of the John Glasson who married Ann Arthur. He must be the son of William Glasson and Jone Verrant.
And one further piece of evidence I just turned up! It appears Dorothy Jago was widowed and then remarried 26th June 1785 at Helston to John Bowcher. One of the witnesses at that marriage was a John Glasson whose signiature is remarkably similar to that of the John Glasson who married Blanch Kemp. That is a further indication that the wife of Thomas Jago was the daughter of Robert and Susannah!
Wow, I sure have a bit of un-coupling and re-coupling to do, but step-by-step will get it done.
Another quick one if you please Jane Glasson JOB b. 1825 was having children with Samuel ESSERY in Sth Aust 1849 to 1856. I can find no marriage of them in SA or Cornwall. Jane died in Victoria in 1884. Samuel died in SA in 1883. Thanks
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 13, 2015 5:49:21 GMT -5
Lannanta here is a little more to add to my last about Dorothy Glasson and Thomas Jago.
Thomas and Dorothy Jago had seven children with the first four baptized at Crowan before the family resettled at Helston. A further three children were born at Helston but of all the children only two daughters survived - Christian born 1768 and Grace born 1772. Thomas Jago was buried at Helston 7th November 1779 and then the last child 'Thomas son of Dorothy Jago, widow, was buried 17th December 1779' at Helston.
John Bowcher of Manaccan and Dorothy Jago were married at Helston 29th June 1785 and one child followed - Samuel baptized 23rd July 1786 at Manaccan.
Dorothy Boucher of Tregonnell age 76 was buried 8th November 1822 at Manaccan.
Her age at burial gives us a birthdate of around 1746 for Dorothy which once again supports the conclusion that she was the daughter of Robert and Susannah Glasson.
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 13, 2015 6:32:26 GMT -5
Wow, I sure have a bit of un-coupling and re-coupling to do, but step-by-step will get it done.
I take it then that you plan to simply take my word for it and copy everything I have written straight to your family tree? If that is the case then I feel like I have just wasted at least two hours work!!
The only saving part about it is that I will have helped Lannanta!
Oh Dear, misunderstood again. I do seem to keep my foot in it don't I? I am sorry. There will be no 'cut and paste' of your work without confirmation through my own research. Even though. unless I go down the DNA route, or have a time machine, there can never be any absolute confirmation.
Oh Dear, misunderstood again. I do seem to keep my foot in it don't I? I am sorry.
Relax Di, I used to ask the same myriad of questions when I started and I think a lot of us are, or have been, guilty of that. From my point of view I am pleased that some of the old records are now being reviewed again, especially now that a lot more of these records are available for inspection. Indeed CT's assertion that the most likely candidate for the John Glasson / Ann Arthur marriage has been identified is great news. So just keep at it... keep looking and in the end we will all benefit from your questions.
Anyway, CT.. it is a pity that although the three fathers of the Dorothy's concerned left wills, not one of them helps us one way or the other.
ROBERT GLASSON, yeoman, of Crowan* written: 28 Jul 1788 proved: 20 Feb 1790 wife: SUSANAH 12 L yearly from my leasehold estate called Trethanes son: ROBERT GLASSON 3 L 10 sh. yearly after my wife's decease son: WILLIAM GLASSON the same son: JOHN GLASSON the same daughters (not named) 1 guinea each granddaughter MARY GEORGE 1 guinea provided she live with my wife son: RICHARD GLASSON all the rest & executor
If Robert had named his daughters he would most likely have said who they were the wives of.
WILLIAM GLASSON of Camborne, tinner
written: 28 Mar 1763 proved: 7 May 1763
son: WILLIAM my dwelling house, household goods, half the land belonging to Sir JOHN ST. AUBIN for 2 lives brothers: ROBERT & CHARLES GLASSON (lives on the above estate) son: JOHN house CONSTANCE MAGRE now lives in, half the land belonging to Sir JOHN ST. AUBIN daughter: MARY dwelling house between the house of CONSTANCE MAGE & the shop that WILLIAM STEPHENS rents daughter: DOROTHY the smith shop WILLIAM STEPHENS rents
apparent codocil (date not provided): grandson: WILLIAM s/o JAMES MICHELL the dwelling house they now live in; if WILLIAM should die then to his (William's) brothers: JAMES, GEORGE & JOHN daughter: GRACE 1 sh. brother: ROBERT executor & to sell the land I hold belonging to GRIGORY HARRIS
witnesses: WM. HOSKING, ROBT. "R" GLASSON
Bond 7 May 1763 by JAMES WOOD of Crowan, WILLIAM TREVARTEHN of Crowan, ROBERT "R" GLASSON of Camborne, tinner
William died too early.
Also to my daughter Dorothy Glasson I give the sum of five pounds a year by quarterly payments, the half the milk of a cow and the use of the said room with her mother in law if she chooses to live with her during the time till she shall come to the age of twenty one years, if so long she ..... or continues unmarried and not otherwise to be paid by my executor as above.
Also to my brother Robert Glasson I give the sum of fifty pounds in trust for my said daughter Dorothy which said sum he is desired to pay her on her wedding day if she shall marry by her uncles consent or to his likeing and if not, only the sum of ten pounds by which you are to understand that the sum of five pounds a year ceases to be paid as soon as she comes to age which said sums of fifty pounds or ten pounds is to be paid by my executor on the said day of her marriage on demand but if she shall die before then the legacy or sum shall fall to my executor.
And John is a real disappointment, he wrote this will in October 1763 - before the three marriages - however he was recorded as being lately deceased in October 1771 - which means that he never reconsidered the will following the likely marriage of his daughter Dorothy.
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 14, 2015 1:21:55 GMT -5
Oh Dear, misunderstood again. I do seem to keep my foot in it don't I? I am sorry. There will be no 'cut and paste' of your work without confirmation through my own research.
Ok Di - I will accept that.
Unfortunately the way you ask your questions and then some of your responses tend to indicate you are 'shopping for specials' so to speak. I certainly do not mind helping people with queries and I have been known to work at one query for 48 hours straight (i.e. no sleep and only brief breaks for a coffee etc.) so there is a lot of work goes into it. I get great satisfaction out of solving problems especially those that have remained unsolved for decades and often working on queries for others helps me in my own research.
When I spend so much time trying to help and then I either get no answer at all or I find that the person posting the query is only out to get what they can for free then it really hurts and my blood starts to boil. And sometimes I reach a point where a bit of anger spills over and I take steps to do something about it. Unfortunately there have been a minority few over the years that have done just that so my fuse has been shortened somewhat!
Lannanta - I also considered checking the Wills and in fact did look at one of them but I soon realized they would be of no help. The fortunate thing is that the key people involved in the three marriages were all able to sign their own names so it was possible to identify them all by signiature comparison. That I was able to locate burials for the three girls also helped so I am now quite satisfied that all three have now found their rightful place.
And I am also happy that we got the bonus of being able to identify which John Glasson married Ann Arthur!