charles glasson 1757 s/o charles & Uren

[bakerdf1]

I have come across a marriage for the above Charles to Joanna Williams in 1801 in Camborne
Is this correct?
Di

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I have come across a marriage for the above Charles to Joanna Williams in 1801 in Camborne
Is this correct?

Yes I believe that to be correct.

Lannanta

[bakerdf1]

Thanks, most sites including the opc were not able to read the name of their third child. Just have ? Williams Glasson.
Any ideas, possible Joseph?
Di

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Thanks, most sites including the opc were not able to read the name of their third child. Just have ? Williams Glasson.
Any ideas, possible Joseph?
Di

I would suggest William Williams Glasson - born 1805 - died 1811 - I have these notes in my database:

Name: William Williams GLASSON Surname: Glasson Given Name: William Williams Sex: M Birth: BEF 16 Jun 1805 in Camborne, Cornwall, England Death: BEF 9 Feb 1811 in Camborne, Cornwall, England Burial: 9 Feb 1811 Camborne, Cornwall, England 1

Lannanta

[jamesm]

I too have seen online genealogies listing their children: familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:39NQ-T3C
They also list Joanna as having been born in 1761 in Camborne but I am unable to confirm. In the birth records for that year there is no listing for her birth.

[bakerdf1]

Apart from their marriage in 1801 no-one seems to have found her birth. She may have re-married after the death of Charles in 1810 but that canot be confirmed.

[Deleted]

Good evening

Apart from their marriage in 1801 no-one seems to have found her birth. She may have re-married after the death of Charles in 1810 but that canot be confirmed.

Marriage to Charles Glasson in 1801 and Charles died in 1810 or thereabouts.

A child named William Williams Glasson in 1814 - child illegitimate, mother a widow

Marriage to Samuel Richards in December 1818 at Camborne.... two sons - Samuel and Thomas

Karlan

[jamesm]

Charles and Joanna apparently had another son, Charles b. 1803 familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J39Y-VLK my greatX5 grandfather.

[Cornish Terrier]

They also list Joanna as having been born in 1761 in Camborne but I am unable to confirm.

This appears to be another little gem served up by someone with, to quote from the title of a 1960s folk song, 'Plenty of Room up Top'!!

Whoever came up with 1761 as a birthdate for Joanna seems to have been quite happy with the fact that she would have been 40 when she married and then 49 when son John was born/baptised in 1809!! (I use age 48 as the cutoff point for childbirth and have only seen that on a couple of rare occasions!) And if we throw in son William Williams Glasson in 1814 then she would have been 53!!

So let's add to the information supplied by Karlan and see if we can bring some sensible thinking to the problem.

The son baptised at Ladock in 1805 is William Williams Glasson. Although the margin of the page in the image is very dark there is a small superscript 'm' that can be seen to the left of 'williams' thus indicating the abbreviated first name of 'Wm'.

Joanna's last child was son Thomas Richards baptised at Camborne in 1823. Thomas Richards of Treswithian Downs age 9 was buried at Camborne 3rd August 1833.

Now then, working on my 'cut-off' of age 48 for women to be having children this would then bring Joanna's prospective earliest birth year up to around 1775!

She may have re-married after the death of Charles in 1810 but that canot be confirmed.

From the Tapley-Soper Transcript of Camborne parish registers:-

Samuel Richards, husbandman, and Joanna Glasson, widow, were married 15th December 1818 at Camborne - Witnesses: Cherry Jenkin and Jacob Jenkin

1841 Census
Treswithian Downs, Camborne
Wheal Camborne Mine
Samuel RICHARDS, 70, ag lab, born in County
Johanah RICHARDS, 60, born in County
Samuel RICHARDS, 20, copper miner, born in County

As the ages for adults were only required to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years we can calculate the approximate period when Joanna would probably have been born from her age in the 1841 Census. She was recorded as age 60 so, if she has been truthful, that would mean she was born sometime between 1776 and 1781! And you may notice that this corresponds perfectly with my note above suggesting the earliest she might have been born would be about 1775.

You may now have a slightly improved chance of finding a baptism for Joanna Williams.

Finally - I have found the following in FreeBMD which 'could' be the death of Joanna Williams:-

Redruth Registration District
March Qtr 1844
Volume 9 Page 171
Johanna RICHARDS

Redruth Registration District
September Qtr 1849
Volume 9 Page 210
Joanna RICHARDS

CT

[jamesm]

I found a birth record from Sept. 1767 familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCXS-QKM?mode=g&i=159&wc=3CBC-829%3A138123201%2C138460601%2C1582890704%3Fcc%3D1769414&cc=1769414
The only one for a Joanna Williams in Camborne in any years withing the realm of possibilities. I could see how 1767 could have been easily mistranscribed as 1761.

[Cornish Terrier]

Based on the information supplied in my last post a birth/baptism of 1767 is still far too early as Joanna would have been age 56 when her last child was born!!

And just because she married at Camborne it does not necessarily mean she had to have been born or baptised there. Although it would need to be checked thoroughly there is a baptism for a Johanna Williams at Kenwyn in 1777 that I think is much more likely. And there is another at Helston in 1777 also.

CT

[sue]

James – if I may weigh in! - as CT has said, there is a limit to women's child-bearing age ( well, there certainly was until clinics started dabbling of recent years ) and 48 would be about it.

So as Joanna had a child Thomas Richards in 1823, she simply cannot have been born or baptized in 1767: 1823 – 1767 I calculate to be 56!!

Never, ever forgetting that sometimes a baptism/marriage or burial cannot be found in parish records, because either a) it isn't there or b) the records aren't available, all we know from the 1841 census entry as to Joanna's apparent birthplace was that it was “in county” i.e. Cornwall.

Grasping at any record that will fit a gap in one's family history workings is not a great way to proceed.

And James, that tree on FS that you are quoting for other children of Charles & Joanna uses as its source.... other trees!!!! And there are some odd entries in it... Please, walk away from it!

May I suggest widening your search, and taking each step slowly – I don't believe you can assume Joanna was born or baptized in Camborne, for a start. There are quite a few possibilities if you search www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

Sue

P.S. Seems I was posting at the same time as CT!

[Cornish Terrier]

Charles and Joanna apparently had another son, Charles b. 1803 familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J39Y-VLK my greatX5 grandfather.

This was the Charles who married Anna Maria Clarke and he has been discussed earlier in this thread.

CT