Another Oats and Mitchell family branch

[monotone]

Hello

I'm connected through James Mitchell (b1845 d1924) GG Grandfather, who went to Millom, Cumberland. I haven't looked at this branch for a while and have found some of the other thread's information very interesting. I will now need to see how it fits with what I think I have found already as you all seem much closer to the real information than I was by looking on-line.

Tony

[Cornish Terrier]

Welcome to the site Tony.
Once you have yourself organised start posting any queries you have and will discuss them and try to help find answers for you.

CT

[Tonkin]

Welcome to PG from me also Tony.

And good luck with your research.

Roy ... from Down Under.

[marychown]

Hi Tony and welcome,

In my maternal line there is also an OATS and MITCHELL connection. John James MITCHELL (born 1871 Mousehole) was born as John James OATS to Elizabeth OATS (bap. 4 Nov 1849 St. Just) d/o James OATS (bap. 13 Nov 1814 St. Just) and Mary Ann Bennetts (bap. 14 Apr 1822 Paul; bur. 27 Nov 1850 St. Just). Mary Ann Bennetts was the daughter of Michael Bennetts of Mousehole and Mary Ann Harvey (bap. 10 Oct 1802) who was the daughter of James Harvey (bap. 18 Mar 1781 Paul; bur. 26 June 1833 Paul) and Jane OATS (bap. 25 June 1775 St. Just; bur. 20 Dec 1863 Paul). Following her mother Mary Ann OATS nee Bennetts' death in 1850, Elizabeth OATS went to live with her maternal grandparents Michael Bennetts and Mary Ann Bennetts nee Harvey in Mousehole where she appears in the 1851, 1861 and 1871 census. In the 1871 census Elizabeth OATS is recorded as having a son John James OATS then 3 months old) also living with the family. After 1871 Elizabeth OATS married a William MITCHELL (possibly William MITCHELL bap. 12 Oct 1845 Paul) and they must have emigrated to the USA where they possibly married as I have been unable to locate a UK marriage for the couple.

In the 1881 census Elizabeth MITCHELL nee OATS is back living in Mousehole where she is recorded as being married with her by now two children John J MITCHELL aged 10 born Mousehole and a daughter Mary A MITCHELL aged 5 born Hasleton, America. The family are living with Elizabeth's uncle James Bennetts, unmarried, 43, fisherman, born Mousehole. There is no sign of William MITCHELL so presumably he may still be in the USA and Elizabeth returned to Mousehole with her two children. In 1891 Elizabeth is recorded as a widow and the family are still living in Mousehole with Elizabeth's uncle James Bennetts who is now recorded as a lodger and in 1901 just Elizabeth (widow) and James Bennetts (unmarried) are living in Mousehole. I believe Elizabeth MITCHELL nee OATS died at Mousehole in 1908.

On 10 Feb 1910 at Paul, John James MITCHELL formerly OATS married Elizabeth Ellen (known as Lizzie) Harvey (born 1880) who was the daughter of my great-great grandparents James Thomas Harvey and Mary Ann Harvey nee Trembath. It is of interest to note that James Thomas Harvey was the son of Abednego (Ben) Harvey and Jane McClary of Mousehole. Abednego was the son of James Harvey and Jane Harvey nee OATS and he was a brother of Mary Ann Harvey (born 1802) who would have been a great-grandmother of John James MITCHELL. John James MITCHELL and Lizzie MITCHELL nee Harvey had two sons John James MITCHELL (born 1911) and William MITCHELL (born ca 1915). John James MITCHELL's sister Mary Ann MITCHELL married William John Robins at Paul on 3 Oct 1896 and they had a son William Geroge Robins born 1897.

Does anybody have any idea who the William MITCHELL was who married Elizabeth OATS, where and when they were married and what happened to William MITCHELL who does not appear to have returned to live in Mousehole? Thanks in advance for any help -

Regards,

Mary

[Cornish Terrier]

Mary - I have not been able to locate a birth/baptism for Mary Ann Mitchell as yet and nor have I been able to find a marriage for her parents. But Hazelton is in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania and there does not appear to be a lot of online information available for that County at the moment.

Have you checked Passenger Lists including both Incoming and Outgoing?

CT

[white]

Tony, welcome.
I can sort these for you. private message sent
RW

[marychown]

CT,

I've tried checking some free outgoing and incoming passenger lists for the period in question 1871-1881, but have so far had no luck. Unfortunately, although I am a paid up member of Ancestry.co.uk, it seems that if I want information from their passenger lists I have to upgrade my membership and pay them a lot more, which I don't want to do because I think that I already pay them more than enough annually! When I looked on Find My Past, I believe their lists were for a later period - 1890 to 1960.

Regards,

Mary

[tonymitch]

Hi Tony,

I'm a direct descendant of James Mitchell (1844 1925) and Mary Oats (1845 1928) who 'emigrated' to Millom. They too were my G-Grand Parents. Mary's kind and comprehensive list are unfortunately not the correct branch of the family. There are an awful lot of Mitchells/Oats floating around.

James Mitchell (b. 3 May 1844 Sennen) married Mary Oats (b. 31 May 1845 St Buryan)on 3 March 1865 in St Just. They moved to Millom on about 1890 and lived in 32 Newton Street. They had 7 Children. Annie; James; Jane; Mary Ann; Evelyn; Louisa and Grace. All were born Cornwall and followed James' sister Barbara (b.1849) and her husband Thomas James to Millom. I won't list the descendants I have of James' children except to name their married names. They became Annie Harvey; Jane Moore; Mary Ann Uren; Evelyn Hockaday; Louisa Robertshaw and Grace Holme. Then of course there was James Mitchell who married Margaret Furze, my grandparents.

I have a great deal of information on the family going back to the marriage of James Mitchell and Margaret Paul at Sennen in 1704 and possibly even further back to 1570.

Please get in touch

Kind regards

Tony Mitchell

[monotone]

Thank you for all your replies.

It seems tonymitch and I are cousins through James Mitchell and Grace Holme.

I have previously found 2 1861 census records for Mary Oats.
1) Madron, Cornwall, England. Servant with Trahair family at "Trewidden" Madran.
2) Madron, Cornwall, England. Servant with Grenfell family at "Back of ?age Hall.

This fits with 2 entries in BMD V9 p174 & V9 p204, so the note I made at the time "1 of these 2 probably married William Resaigh." may need some light shining on it. Maybe someone has the answer?

Tony

[tonymitch]

Hi there Tony,

Are you a son of Dan? (Now that sounds very scriptural). I did have considerable correspondence with David Holme who wrote an excellent Family History which he sent to me and I also have several writings of "Cousin Eddie" whom I had the privilege to meet on a couple of occasions.

Now, regarding G-G-Mother Mary. She does not appear on the 1851 census, but "Nanny" does along with Louisa who shares the same birth date. I'll do some digging and see what I come up with. In the meanwhile I send you a Personal Message.

Tony M