Glasson and Coulls/Cowles

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CT

I was just wondering if you have spent any time on the Glasson / Coull connection before I spend too much time on it.

Basically it involves the marriage of Henry Coulls and Eleanor Glasson on the 29th October 1859 at Paul.

29 October 1859 by Banns
Henry Coulls 24 Mariner of Newlyn (Father: Henry Coulls, Mariner)
Eleanor Glasson 23 of Newlyn [Mark] (Father: William Glasson, Mariner)
Witnesses: Edward James, John Tremethick

If you look at the children being born about this era there are esentially two groups or families - one from Paul (the above) and another from the Helston District (Sithney and Porthleven).

The interesting thing about the Helston group is that two siblings have Glasson as their middle name.

So I have made this assumption with which to carry on with.

That the marriage between Hanry Cowles and Eleanor Glasson in June 1829 at Sithney was in fact the marriage of the parents of the Henry Coulls mentioned above. And secondly, that this older Eleanor Glasson was the daughter of William Glasson and Mary Hitchens of Newlyn, (the third daughter named Eleanor in that family) and is shown by the fact that one of their children born in 1843 was named Joseph Hichens Coulls.

I would appreciate you thoughts.

Lannanta

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Lannanta - I have not done anything with either of these families and in fact neither appear in my database so it looks like you are on fresh ground.

I will take a bit of a look at them later tonight.

CT

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Lannanta - there can be little doubt that your 'working assumption' is correct.

In 1851 you can find Henry and Elenor COLS at Sithney (Porthleven to be exact) and among the children is son Henry age 16. Henry senior is recorded as having been born at Penzance around 1802/3 and Elenor about 1806/7 also at Penzance. Henry was a fisherman.

In 1861 at Paul you can find the recently-wed Henry and Elenor COULLS with Henry being age 25 and born Porthleven.

I don't know that I have all of the Eleanor (var.) Glassons in the database but a quick chieck of those I have suggests that the wife of Henry Coulls senior may be the 1808 daughter of William and Mary Glasson at Paul.

CT

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CT

Thinking about the Eleanor senior, she was baptised at Paul on the 24th Jan 1808. She was the 3rd of the three Eleanors.

The first was baptised 13th August 1797 at Paul and buried 8th November 1799 at Paul, died of croup.

The second was baptised 25th November 1804 at Paul and died sometime before the baptism of the 3rd in 1808.

Including Eleanor number 2, why are there not many Paul burials around the 1808 period?

Lannanta

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Lannanta - I don't know about the second Elinor and there is nothing in the register that offers any clues. But I wonder if perhaps the second and third Elinor were the same person. I have seen numerous cases in recent times where children have been baptised twice so this may be another case given there is no burial.

why are there not many Paul burials around the 1808 period?

I can't answer that but it is interesting to look at the register where the Vicar was kind enough to include 'the score' at the end of each year:-

1800 - 56 (25 males, 31 females)
1801 - 34 (23 females, 11 males)
1802 - 64 (22 males, 42 females)
1803 - 74 (38 males, 36 females)
1804 - 52 (26 males, 26 females)
1805 - 49 (24 males, 25 females)
1806 - 35 (17 males, 18 females)
1807 - 37 (18 males, 19 females)
1808 - 44 (18 males, 26 females)
1809 - 34 (16 males, 18 females)
1810 - 36 (15 males, 21 females)
1811 - 46 (26 males, 20 females)
1812 - 71 (27 males, 44 females)

There are a couple of 'spikes' but otherwise it seems a reasonable sort of pattern which leads back to my thoughts about the possibility of two baptisms for the second Elinor.

It might be worth tracking Elinor through the Census to see what age was recorded for each year and then also her age at death. That may be of some help.

CT