Baptised at Ludgvan on 22 Feb 1779 to John and Margeret JACKA (unsure of maiden name), I have been led a merry dance by this fellow. My own line comes from his marriage to Elizabeth RULE (herself a bit of a mystery supposedly hailing from Lydford in Devon but I am unable to verify this - I digress) in 1815 at St Hilary after John had been filed with bastardy papers over the arrival of Peggy Jacka in 1813. It would seem Elizabeth was 15 at the time and John was about 35.
I got to thinking that John might have been previously married and discovered a marriage that might have been him...
John JACKA marries Mary HAWKE in Gulval on 10 Dec 1812. Mary JACCA dies and is buried on 10 Dec 1812. A short marriage which got me wondering if he was even married prior to this as he would have been 32 in 1812.
The only John JACKA marriage I can find is to a Catherine MARTINS but this John JACKA is a widow and would only have been 14 if he had been born in 1778. Possibly this is his father.
John and Elizabeth move to Marazion (Trevenner) and he ends his days in 1842 buried at St Hilary. His wife Elizabeth manages another census in Marazion before she seemingly disappears. There is a burial for a Betsy Jacka 16 Feb 1863 but I think she is the wife of another John JACKA (buried at Marazion 24 May 1880 aged 78).
You can see why I get confused...
Just wondering if anyone has any ideas around this complicated family. Thanks in advance.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 30, 2012 5:41:36 GMT -5
Hi Graylight - I have been taking a look at this problem for you and have a couple of things that might be helpful. I don't have all the answers yet and have not finished looking.
The signiatures of John Jacka in 1812 (marriage to Mary Hawke) and 1815 (marriage to Elizabeth Rule are similar enough to suggest it is the same man. In one he signed as 'Jno.' and the other as 'John' but the surname component of the name and the 'J' in the forename are very similar.
John Jacka was a bachelor when he married Mary Hawke. She would have been about 28 and he about 33 at the time of marriage.
John Jacka's parents were John Jacka and Margaret (nee Richards) who married at Ludgvan 28th September 1771. Margaret was possibly a sibling to the William Richards who married Mary Jacka, (sister to John) at Ludgvan 8th May 1763.
Next step for me now is to look at the children of John and Elizabeth and then see if I can identify Elizabeth for you.
To assist in this I would appreciate it if you could post some details about young Peggy Jacka and the Bastardy Bonds please.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 30, 2012 6:23:59 GMT -5
I have no put together a list of children for John and Elizabeth Jacka based on the 1841 Census. These names have been checked against the Parish Registers but there are two for whom I cannot find baptismal records.
Peggy bp. 26th December 1813 St Hilary (name and date only) Elizabeth bp. 30th March 1816 St Hilary (family of Marazion) Benjamin bp. 29th June 1817 Marazion Alice bp. 23rd August 1823 Ludgvan (born 10th August 1823) Richard born about 1827/1828 Cornwall Bridget bp. 26th October 1829 Marazion Sally born about 1831/1832 Cornwall Jane bp. 16th March 1836 Marazion
Richard and Sally are the two I cannot find although there is a possible baptism at St Hilary for Sally.
Sarah daughter of John and Elizabeth Jacka of Pedengwarrry baptised 16th February 1854 St Hilary (born 5th September 1853)
I checked FreeBMD and there appears to be no Sarah/Sally Jacka recorded for 1853 or 1854 so I am wondering if the date of birth might be 1833 rather than 1853 even though (with shaky handwriting) it is clearly 1853 in the register.
But you say that John Jacka died in 1842 so perhaps I am barking at the wrong tree here.
The other point of note is that in the 1841 Census Elizabeth Jacka was recorded as being age 44 and therefore born around 1796 or 1797. If that age is accurate then she would have been about 17 when Peggy was born and not 15.
From Access to archives All I have is John Jacka, jun., father of Elizabeth Rule's child 26 Aug 1813
There are also two appeals regarding removal from Parish from the Quarter Sessions book.
Appeal by Marazion against order of 3 Jul inst. for removal of John Jacka jun, Elizabeth his wife and their children Peggy (4), Elizabeth (2) and Benjamin (10 months) from Ludgvan: held over.
Continued appeal by Town of Marazion against order of 3 July last for removal of John Jacka, jun., Elizabeth, his wife and their children Peggy (4), Elizabeth (2) and Benjamin (10 months) from Ludgvan: order reversed.
Not sure whether Marazion were appealing to get rid or keep the Jackas here.
With regard to Elizabeth, she moves to The Cliff in Marazion after John's death
Marazion HO/107/1918 ED3b Folio 146 Page 26 The Cliff 111 Elizabeth JACKA, head, widow, 52, Charwoman, Lydford, Devon Sarah, dau, unm, 18, Charwoman, Marazion, Cornwall Jane JACKA, dau, unm, 17, Tailoress, Marazion, Cornwall Richard CARBIS, g'son, 1, Marazion, Cornwall Sarah KENEDDY, visitor, marr, 25 Grocer, St Hilary, Cornwall Sarah ANDREWARTHA, visitor, unm, 6, Breage, Cornwall Selina ANDREWARTHA, visitor, 1, Liskeard, Cornwall William KENEDDY, vistor, 1, Penzance, Cornwall
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 30, 2012 6:42:14 GMT -5
You are right! - Elizabeth Jacka certainly seems to disappear after the 1851 Census.
BUT - so do her daughters Sarah and Jane who were still living at home in 1851. do you have any knowledge of what happened to these girls? If we can find them, or at least one of them, we might have a chance of finding what became of Elizabeth.
I have Margaret (Peggy) Jacka married to John Hall at Gulval 24 april1841. They had at least 4 children. Margaret died april 1856 at Ninnis John Hall died oct 1857 at Union Workhouse. Seems to be the correct Margaret RW more details available if required
Thanks for the info CT and WHITE... we now know where Margaret ended up but I'm uncertain of just who is the mother of Margaret (Peggy) JACKA. Yes, Mary (Hawke) died and is buried on the 10 December 1812 but that does not disqualify her from being Margaret's mother. However when John is summoned for bastardy over Elizabeth RULE's child in 1813, I always assumed that this was Margaret or Peggy. When John and his family are up before the parish in July 1818, Peggy is 4 years old...which still doesn't answer the question of which woman was her mother.
I'm even wondering if it is significant that Margaret (Peggy) JACKA's birth is at St Hilary on Dec 26 1813, rather than at Gulval (although I have not come across this information before). May I ask where you got it from?
THe bapt. is on Cornwall opc. From the date of this I would think that Elizabeth Rule is the most likely unless we have a third party not known. By the way the file I sent via e mail would now be wrong as regards Peggys Mother. RW
With regard to the other children of John JACKA and Elizabeth RULE, I also have a Benjamin JACKA bap 29 Jun 1817 but having searched I can't for the life of me find out where I got this info. In the 1841 census there is a Benjamin JACKA of East Cliff Lane age 20 which lines him up with the Benjamin of this family age-wise. He is also living quite close to his parents who are at Trevenner.
Another interesting link is the family of a John JACKA who is living at Gulval (Tredennack) in 1841 married to Margaret. In 1851 he is living at Towednack (Nancledry) with his wife Margaret (from Crowan) but what is interesting about this family is that their 11, 9 and 7 year old children were all born in Marazion. Is there a connection?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 30, 2012 21:12:38 GMT -5
I see that I have a bit more to read and to think about which I will do later on today. This last post regarding John and Margaret Jacka at Gulval explains the use of the term 'Junior' in your previous posts regarding John Jacka. As your John was son of Benjamin Jacka that term indicated there must have been a second John Jacka in the area. In this case they were differentiated by the term 'jnr.' so I will see where that leads us.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 31, 2012 5:24:04 GMT -5
Graylight - all information regarding Baptisms, Marriages and Burials is from the Parish Registers unless I note otherwise.
There appears little doubt that Peggy Jacka was the daughter of John Jacka and Elizabeth Rule and it does look probable that it was she who married John Hall. I still want to check a couple of things before I am totally convinced however.
The John Jacka at Towednack with wife Margaret is probably a son of John and Elizabeth but, like Richard and Sally, I have not been able to find a baptism as yet. His birthplace was either Ludgvan or St Hilary and he was born around 1820 which would place him in the gap between Benjamin (1817) and Alice (1823). He also named a son Benjamin although that son was just one of about 13 children that I have found! At least six of those children died under the age of 2 and one at about 11 or 12.
John Jacka, son of John Jacka, miner, married Margaret Jewell 10th September 1839 at Marazion
I still have a bit of work to do on this family as there are quite a number of baptisms missing - no doubt these will be in registers I do not have access to. But there is also a grandson named Richard Carbis who appears with the family in 1851. FreeBMD indicates this will be Richard Carbis Jacka born 1850 so he was undoubtedly an illegitimate child. Question is which daughter was the mother. it may take a day or so before I can get much further but I will let you know of anything I find.