Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 4, 2012 9:15:19 GMT -5
The Parish Register, whilst a little difficult to read, offers the following:-
John Jacka of Henvor age 78 buried 24th May 1880 at Marazion
his wife Betsy is buried with him. Her burial was 16 Feb 1873.
I might give you the match but you will have to buy your own cigar. ;D
Betsy Jacka of Marazion age 66 was buried 16th February 1863 at Marazion
I have little doubt the John Jacka from Nancledra was son of John and Elizabeth (nee Rule). All information I have found so far supports the probability with the only difficulty being that, like two of his siblings, I have not yet been able to find a baptism.
The John Jacka buried at Marazion was baptised at St Erth 31st October 1802 son of John Jacka and Mary Lambrick (widow, nee Hammill) who married at Helston 17th June 1800.
I might give you the match but you will have to buy your own cigar.
The error was mine so I'd better blow out the match before I burn my fingers ;D My typing error was not as grave as that as the stonemasons, which does actually say Heamoor and not Henfor which (according to an unsubstantiated source on the internet) is where John Jacka died "He passed away on 19 May 1880 in Henfor Farm Marazion, Cornwall" which was five days before his burial.
Sarah daughter of John and Elizabeth Jacka of Pedengwarrry baptised 16th February 1854 St Hilary (born 5th September 1853)
I checked FreeBMD and there appears to be no Sarah/Sally Jacka recorded for 1853 or 1854 so I am wondering if the date of birth might be 1833 rather than 1853 even though (with shaky handwriting) it is clearly 1853 in the register.
I keep looking at this and feel it is very likely to be them...parents name, John's occupation 1833 or 1834 would fit with Sally's age at the 1851 census. I cannot find another John and Elizabeth around at this time. I know that a John and Betsy came into Marazion before the 1861 census but this couple would have been too old to have a child (59 and 64 respectively)
...but the nagging question is 'how could the transcriber get it so wrong?' Am I wrong in thinking that the image you see is just that particular record rather than a list of consequent baptisms?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 7, 2012 5:35:04 GMT -5
I have two more nagging problems with this family:-
1. John Jacka of Pedengwarry age 36 buried 16th February 1854 St Hilary 2. the identity of Margaret 'Jewell' wife of John Jacka
I am still unable to work out just who this John Jacka was but the closest match seems to be the husband of Margaret. I know that cannot be right because he was still alive in 1861. Being buried so early in the year means that at age 36 (if accurate) he should have been born about 1817 but the only John Jackas I can find even close to the right age were at Perranzabuloe and Redruth and I seem to be able to account for every one of them.
But I have solved the problem of Margaret JEWELL so one of the 'nags' at least is off to the glue factory!
It was annoying me greatly that I could not identify Margaret JEWELL. The Marriage record and the Census entries told me show was daughter of John, she was born about 1820 and that she was born at Crowan yet even with all of my resources I could not find a baptism for her or even a family that she might belong to.
As she could not write Margaret signed the marriage record with her 'mark' so I could not even use a signiature to identify her. That also meant that I had nothing else to compare with the entries made in the marriage register by the Vicar.
But the more I looked at those entries the more I began to wonder if I also may have been wrong in my interpretation of the name. The main problem is that the first letter of the surname is very, very similar to the 'J' in Jacka on the line above and in fact it is about identical to the 'J' in John on that same line.
The fact is that I WAS WRONG! But for the record so is the OPC for Marazion who I now see has also transcribed the name as JEWELL. I guess the person how added the entry to the St Catherine's House Index was the closest with JERRELL.
The name should actually be TERRELL!
Margaret daughter of John and Ann TERRIL of Crowan was baptised at Gwinear 14th January 1821
John, sojourner, and Ann Rapson, both of Gwinear, were married at Gwinear 10th October 1818 by Banns
Another interesting link is the family of a John JACKA who is living at Gulval (Tredennack) in 1841 married to Margaret. In 1851 he is living at Towednack (Nancledry) with his wife Margaret (from Crowan)
Didn't notice it but we had a clue about (young) John Jacka's wife already.
You say John Jacka (the son) is still alive in 1861. Whereabouts was this? Just to save me trawling through the censuses
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 8, 2012 14:32:21 GMT -5
In 1861 John Jacka and his family were at Nancledra, Ludgvan:-
John JACKA, head, mar, 40, tin miner, St Hilary Margaret do., wife, mar, 40, Crowan John do., son, 19, tin miner, Gulval Richard do., son, 17, tin miner, St Hilary William do., son, 16, tin miner, St Hilary Benjamin do., son, 12, scholar, Towednack James H do., son, 9, scholar, Towednack Elikzabeth A do., daur, 6, scholar, Towednack Elizabeth LAVERS, servt, 15, general servant, Madron Thomas MICHELL, visitor, unm, 22, tin miner, Zennor Thomas BONETTA, visitor, unm, 19, tin miner, Madron
John Jacka of Baldue, age 44 was buried at Ludgvan 19th March 1865
In 1871 Margaret Jacka, now a widow, was living at Boswase, Ludgvan. With her were her youngest son James H, a tailor age 19, and daughter Elizabeth, garden labourer age 16.
In 1881 Margaret Jacka was at Georgia Croft, Towednack living next door to son Benjamin and his family.
Margaret Jacka of The Union House, Madron age 63 was buried at Towednack 13th July 1886
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 9, 2012 2:38:38 GMT -5
That will be very useful as hopefully it will provide further evidence that we have Margaret's maiden name correct.
I neglected to mention in my last that there is also further evidence that the Ludgvan burial of John Jacka in 1865 is the correct man. John and Margaret had a total of 13 children of whom just seven survived past the age of 1 and only six survived past the age of 12. For much of this time the family was at Towednack but when the last child died they had been living at Ludgvan for at least two years.
Alfred son of John and Margaret Jacka of Nancledra was born at Ludgvan and baptised 18th March 1863 St Ives Primitive Methodist Circuit
Alfred Jacka of Baldue age 5 weeks was buried at Ludgvan 1st April 1863
Here are the findings from the two certificates as promised... On the 8 September 1842 at Marazion, John JACKA, aged 68, Miner. Died of Organic disease of the stomach. Informant, Elizabeth Jacka (her mark), his wife on 12 Sept 1842
The marriage cert of John Jacka confirms what we thought...although the recorder's writing is atrocious.
Marriage solemnised at the Marazion Chapel in the parish of St Hilary on 10 September 1839. John Jacka (age is given as a word possibly beginning with 'F' possibly 'full age'), bachelor, miner of Marazion, son of John Jacka, miner (John senior would have been alive at this point) to Margaret Terrell, (age possibly 'minor'), spinster of Marazion (ditto marks) daughter of John Terrell, miner. Both parties sign with their mark and it is witnessed by Richard Treloar and Benjamin Davy (his mark)
Hi I am a gg granddaughter of Richard Carbis Jacka and am wanting to continue with my family history past Sally and her parents John and Elizabeth (Rule) Jacka if there is anyone with more info I would love to hear from you. I have found in the UK census Sally was living with a Carbis family working as a maid I presume Mr Carbis was Richard's father or he was very nice to her and she named Richard after him.If any one wants to know the Australian line let me know thank you in advance.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 3, 2015 0:33:38 GMT -5
Hi sooziev and Welcome.
Work your way through the information in this thread and then do a little searching for yourself to see how it all matches up. Doing that will hopefully offer you some more clues or at least help you form a list of questions to be answered. It is always much more fun to find information for yourself and learn how to search the records but when you get stuck just ask and we will try and help.
I did a little work on the family a couple of years back and I believe I have the direct line back to a marriage at Madron in 1735. Beyond that is a little grey at the moment but it is always a good idea to try and find as much information as possible about other descendants (i.e. cousins etc.) which can help confirm findings.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 3, 2015 23:57:20 GMT -5
I will show you the direct line of descent as I have it from Benjamin Jacka down to Richard Carbis Jacka but I will leave it to you to do a little searching and locate other children and their marriages. As I said in my last, I do try to encourage people to do their own research but I will help where necessary and point you in the right direction or offer some advice.
This is a 'free' forum and everyone volunteers their help and I do get kept quite busy trying to reply to people and help multiple people at a time.
The line is as follows:-
Benjamin Jacka of Madron married Mary Hugh at Madron 22nd June 1735. Benjamin was buried at Ludgvan in 1769 and Mary 'widow of Benjamin Jacka' was buried at Ludgvan the following year. I have six children for this couple of whom the fourth was their son John.
John son of Benjamin Jacka was baptized at Madron in 1743 and he married Margaret Richards at Ludgvan 28th September 1771. Margaret died at St Ives and was buried at Ludgvan in 1791 while John lived until 1821 and was buried at Gulval. They had eight children of whom the seventh was son John. (There was an earlier son named John who lived only a year.)
John Jacka was baptized at Ludgvan in 1779 and was married twice:-
Marriage 1 to Mary Hawke took place at Gulval in 1812. There appear to have been no children from this marriage and Mary was buried at Gulval in December 1812. Marriage 2 to Elizabeth Rule took place at St Hilary in 1815 and their were nine children - Peggy, Elizabeth, Benjamin, John, Alice, Richard, Bridget Sally and Jane.
John Jacka died at Marazion in 1842 and was buried at St Hilary but I don't yet have the burial for Elizabeth. Their daughter Sally was the mother of Richard Carbis Jacka.
Most of the information you need to fill in the gaps can be found on the OPC site and you can also view images of most of the original registers involved if you go to Familysearch.org